19850603 Bhagavad-gita.7.5 Reincarnation Karma the Holy Ghost @ Atlanta, USA
Jaya Sri Krishna Chaitanya Prabhu Nityananda Sri Advaita Gadadhara Srivas Adi Gaura Bhakta Vrnda The following is a lecture given by His Holiness Jayapataka Swami on June 3rd 1985 at New Panihati Dham in Atlanta,Georgia. The class begins with a reading from the Bhagavad Gita seventh chapter,verse five. Bg 7.5 apareyam itas tv anyāṁ prakṛtiṁ viddhi me parām jīva-bhūtāṁ mahā-bāho yayedaṁ dhāryate jagat
Word for word:
aparā — inferior; iyam — this; itaḥ — besides this; tu — but; anyām — another; prakṛtim — energy; viddhi — just try to understand; me — My; parām — superior; jīva-bhūtām — comprising the living entities; mahā-bāho — O mighty-armed one; yayā — by whom; idam — this; dhāryate — is utilized or exploited; jagat — the material world.
Besides these, O mighty-armed Arjuna, there is another, superior energy of Mine, which comprises the living entities who are exploiting the resources of this material, inferior nature. Gurumaharaj:This are two very important verses of the Bhagavad Gita. Krishna said briefly , material nature as well as the spiritual nature. Like earth,water,fire, mind ,intelligence and false ego is the material nature . There is higher, superior ,superior energy which Krishna describes as the para prakritih or the superior energy. Does Anyone know who the superior energy is? Anyone knows ? Bhavaraj? Who is?
Devotee:I Gurumaharaj:I? Devotee:Shyamsundar Gurumaharaj:So you say Syamsundar. No Shyamsundar is the source of all energies. So there's another superior energy higher than the material energy which is known as the the jiva bhuta. Someone know what jiva bhuta is? Devotee:I know Gurumaharaj: Who's that? Devotee: Buddha Gurumaharaj:No not Buddha . You had Prasad? Devotee: The living entity.
Gurumaharaj:Jiva bhuta,bhuta,jiva means the (devotee:jiva)jiva,the atma,the living entity. Living entity is of the higher reality ,higher energy,superior energy.So Krishna is saying that this are all my energies. In fact in verse six it states:All created beings have their source in these two natures. Of all that is material and all that is spiritual in this world, know for certain that I am both the origin and the dissolution. Krishna is the origin,He is the dissolution. So the superior energy or the living entity falsely identifies as this body and mind and he is trying to control and enjoy the body and mind and as a result he becomes entangled .So , solution is that actually we are not the supreme controllers ,we are not . Therefore total living control of our environment ,we are subject to the control of Krishna . So if we want to become happy ..then its better to be willingly surrender to Krishna. Since we are not in control anyway . If we were in control then we wouldn't be forced to suffer various types of miseries even though we don't want to. Because we are forced to suffer that is another way of humbling us, forcing us to recognize that there is a more superior power .So this spiritual energy is known as the tatasvah saktih or the madhya sakti ,the middle energy. Because we are between Radharani and between the material nature,we are between the internal potency and the external potency. Therefore we are the middle potency.By nature we are same as the spiritual person ,a spiritual potency but we are very minute so we can fall under the control of Maya.Our nature is to be controlled . So we are either able to put ourselves under loving control of Krishna or if we are not then we are put under the highest control of His jail keeper ,this material nature known as Maya .So Prabhupada used this example that : A cat when it catches it's own kitten, at the back of the neck carries the kitten very gently. So different kind of carrying. When it catches the mouse that's another type of catching. So when the material nature catches the non devotee, its a very harsh way of catching, when into acting with the devotees who are surrendered to Krishna .Sometimes it appears there are under certain material controls. Actually they are. But actually its like the cat carrying its own kitten . That is Krishna 's way of bringing the devotee to the proper consciousness. So here the Bhagavad Gita confirms that the living entity is one of the multi energies of Krishna and when this energy is freed from material contamination, becomes fully Krishna Conscious or liberated . So the goal of life is not to ,the goal of life is to become liberated from material consciousness and to act in our pure spiritual consciousness. To be free from this material contamination. As soon as a person even starts to understand that this body with all of its defects ,inefficiencies, it is not our real identity but that it is a temporary vehicle for the soul. We are the actual soul. That alone is one after we will get some relief. When one actually understands this relationship with Krishna and engages in devotional service as one of the parts of Krishna . Then the real happiness begin . sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo yato bhaktir adhokṣaje ahaituky apratihatā yayātmā suprasīdati
Hare Krishna Questions? Devotee:..(inaudible)higher energy. We are higher or Krishna .. (7:35) Gurumaharaj: You,you are the higher energy. Devotee:...like..(inaudible)(7:59) Gurumaharaj: Krishna is not the energy,He is the source of the energy. Devotee:...source Gurumaharaj: He is the Param purusa or supreme person ,Bhagavan. You are jivatma. You are one of the spiritual energies of the lord. Devotee: So.. (8:23) Gurumaharaj:So are you,so am I. So are each one of us. With us . In our. We are the spirit soul situated in the heart of the body along with us accompanies the form of God known as the paramatma or the Supersoul. That is the description of two birds that actually our best friend is the Lord.But like two birds one bird is simply eating the fruits and the other bird is (uhh) is friend waiting for his friend to turn to him. We are souls,so we are trying to enjoy this body and the senses but we are actually forgetting Krishna. We are neglecting our friend.But He is always waiting ,ready to(uhh) receive us again . Devotee:it's like devatah uhhh... This..Krishna is the superior..(inaudible) (9:19) Gurumaharaj: Well just like in this row we have different sized light bulbs . The video light bulbs they are sending in my eyes is of higher power ,so its blinding .The.. Sometimes,sometimes. These other little bulbs here like candle bulbs . Those are may be seven watts ,ten watts.So different bulbs have different sizes. Such as a human being you have got one power.And if you go up,higher than you are the ghosts they are ten times,higher than them are the gandharvas ,they have got hundred times,that means a ten times more than that. Higher than that is the kinneras another ten times,canaras another ten times. Siddhas another ten times then the asuras they have another ten times higher than them are the devatas or the demigods they have again another ten times more power. Then the next stage below ... And of all the demigods Indra is the most powerful of all, he has hundred times more. More powerful than India,Indra by thousand times is Lord Brahma who is the original creator of the universe. So Brahma says that even more powerful than him is a Brahmana ,who is a self realized human being. So if you become a self realized human being then you become more powerful even than the demigod, in some ways. But as a human being without self realization we are just king of the animal. But the difference is that different powers and you take it like this are different powered light bulbs. But Krishna or Vishnu is the powerhouse. Lord Shiva is an expansion of Krishna for a specific purpose. Partial expansion.So if you come in touch with the powerhouse then you will have unlimited capacity.Then your potential is unlimited. Well we are in...(Devotee:bhu..) Bhuloka,Bhuloka. Bhuloka there is the word bhuva,bhuva. We are bhuva. .. Next higher is swa. Swa means Swarga . Swarga or the heavenly planets. There is fourteen planetary systems . So we are number seven under fourteen in terms of there.Anyway up above this is the heavenly planets. We are considered the lowest middle planetary system. But it is not in this top seven.Below this becomes more degraded and higher is more elevated. So all those levels one by one are considered higher planetary systems or heavenly planetary systems but the standard of one to the next is a little higher. Just like in Atlanta this is called the Druin Hills ,supposed to be one of the higher levels . If we go step by step there might be a higher level. There is also lower levels,somewhere there's a middle level. But it's all within the material universe.You see that may be in the Druin hills people have better lungs they get dry away. But still they have to worry about thieves. To worry about so many tax collector, there is, some problem are there.. But may be they don't have to worry as much as someone who is in another part of the town, may be more dangerous. So in the heavily planets there is still problems but less . Devotee : Inaudible (13:40) Gurumaharaj:Right.(Devotee: .(inaudible)) No. The point is that there is a spiritual world. . In the spiritual world there's not all these levels these many levels. Spiritual world is absolute . It can be divided in two broad categories. The spiritual planets are in a majestic and in a vey loving, those two categories. Krishna 's original abode is in the Krishnaloka or Goloka Vrindavan.Where the mood is of loving devotional service. Then Narayana the form of Krishna in a majestic form lives in Vaikuntha. So in the spiritual world there's no birth,no death,there's no material energy. It's all spiritual energy. When the souls get liberated from the bodies they assume their original spiritual form and reside in the spiritual world. Because your spiritual form is dormant , you are residing now in this material body. When your body dies you take another birth.In this way you continue. Devotee:inaudible (14:52) Gurumaharaj: Correct Devotee: So we are coming.. It's...though I have a But...(15:8) Gurumaharaj: What the,what verse is that Yam yam vapi smaran.. Bg 8.6 ... .yaṁ yaṁ vāpi smaran bhāvaṁ tyajaty ante kalevaram taṁ tam evaiti kaunteya sadā tad-bhāva-bhāvitaḥ Translation: Whatever state of being one remembers when he quits his body, O son of Kuntī, that state he will attain without fail. (Devotee:reapeats) Rupraja read the purport. Rupraja:Purport: The process of changing one’s nature at the critical moment of death is here explained. A person who at the end of his life quits his body thinking of Kṛṣṇa attains the transcendental nature of the Supreme Lord, but it is not true that a person who thinks of something other than Kṛṣṇa attains the same transcendental state. This is a point we should note very carefully. How can one die in the proper state of mind? Mahārāja Bharata, although a great personality, thought of a deer at the end of his life, and so in his next life he was transferred into the body of a deer. Although as a deer he remembered his past activities, he had to accept that animal body. Of course, one’s thoughts during the course of one’s life accumulate to inﬂuence one’s thoughts at the moment of death, so this life creates one’s next life. If in one’s present life one lives in the mode of goodness and always thinks of Kṛṣṇa, it is possible for one to remember Kṛṣṇa at the end of one’s life. That will help one be transferred to the transcendental nature of Kṛṣṇa. If one is transcendentally absorbed in Kṛṣṇa’s service, then his next body will be transcendental (spiritual), not material. Therefore the chanting of Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa(everyone loudly chant along with Gurumaharaj) Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare. Hare Krishna is the best process for successfully changing one’s state of being at the end of one’s life. Gurumaharaj: So depending on how a person is thinking when he leaves the body . If they have a desire to enjoy the happiness which is available as an animal then they can become an animal. But if someone is interested in self realization,in spiritual life that's not available in animal lives. So then its a good chance you can become a human being. Again at least and if you practice some of the spiritual science, if you are successful you go back to the spiritual world. If you don't complete then you take birth in one of the heavenly planets for a long time then after that again you come back down to the earth. You take birth in a family which is better of human beings who are either rich or yogis or Brahmanas. So you get everything to gain and nothing to lose by chanting Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare.(Devotees chant with Gurumaharaj) Any other questions? Vijay? Devotee:inaudible .. So there's... That... Just like... Gurumaharaj:Normally. Devotee:so that Gurumaharaj:If they die natural death . That's why killing an animal disrupts their natural evolution. It's like a prison term. It's like they have take a certain amount of years in that form of animal. So when you kill the animal ,it means again they have to take birth as an animal to finish uhh the period of time required in that body. When they die natural death they can go up to the next level. So killing animals disrupts their evolutionary process in terms of their spiritual progress. Therefore it gets a bad karma and the human species from the animal (uhhh)cows,tigers and monkeys become human beings in the next lives. Cows as human beings in the mode of goodness,tigers as human beings in the mode of passion and monkeys as human beings in the mode of ignorance.So therefore to disrupt the cow's evolution its very bad karma,,much,very detrimental karma for many reasons. Devotee:inaudible ... (19:52) Gurumaharaj: They follow their nature.They get a certain body to react in a certain way according to their karma. So animals are they don't have a discretionary capability, therefore they don't get any karma . Just like the tigers have turned man eaters . Normally they don't turn man eaters it's not their nature .When they become very old or weak or very wounded, they can't catch anything else.. Human beings are easier prey than the tigers,I mean than the dears .Then because of some unusual circumstances they may become man eaters. Yeah? Devotee: Just like ...like that. Or they have to..seeing it...next...chance..their vehicle... Uhh..when a baby would come... Death.. . (inaudible)(21:12) Gurumaharaj: Human birth is special.Animal birth they don't produce new karma.So they naturally go from one species . Like say a bird becomes an animal ,from cat to dog ,to horse ..like that they go up from one species by the next. So they have to finish off in that particular species. So you are talking about the human species its about being in the same species. So human being is actually able to produce karma that means the human being whatever they do they have to take a reaction for that. So if a child is born and dies right away that means that there was some karma that they had to suffer. May be in the previous life they had killed a baby so therefore as a baby they were,they died or there may be many reasons. Its very complicated to say exactly why this things happen. As a human beings , sometimes if a human baby is born into a .. ,a human child is born when the parents are devotees and they feed the child the caranamtra ,chanting the Hare Krishna mantra,for the child that may be not to finish all the karma of the child,the child may leave , go back to the spiritual world. So if a baby,an adult it's all the same it's the body is less or more developed. Devotee: Get ...(23:44) Gurumaharaj : Ah that Devotee: Inaudible(23:54) Gurumaharaj: Some Devotee:okay some Gurumaharaj:Right Devotee:Okay Gurumaharaj :When all your karma is gone . (Devotee:liberated) The you are liberated .(devotee: Oho ,okay)Then you go back to the spiritual world. Just like we change clothes may be for the hot weather is wearing shorts . Somebody wanna go out for some special occasion and then you go back put on formal dress. You changed clothes but the person is the same. Like that in the body the living force is youth .And you may change bodies but the living force remains same ,you may change. Like when a pair of clothes become old and worn and you put on new clothes. That's mentioned in the Second chapter.. Third... Uhhh.. Thirty. No .its not the one I want. Text twenty two..Page one o four. Found it? vāsāṁsi jīrṇāni yathā vihāya navāni gṛhṇāti naro ’parāṇi tathā śarīrāṇi vihāya jīrṇāny anyāni saṁyāti navāni dehī
Like to read that Janmasira ....no Yogasira.
Devotee:( Reading)(25:33) Gurumaharaj: You understand that? Devotee: Inaudible (25:53) Gurumaharaj :Hmmm
Gurumaharaj:Just like when you are sleeping your mind leaves the body,just like when you are dreaming the mind goes to different places. The mind is more subtle than the body. More fine than the mind is the soul . Soul is the actual energy which makes the body appear like . When the soul leaves the body ,the body is just an empty shell,a cercus.Cadaver.There's no more beauty.So what's the difference what's missing.. Here you have a life body and the next minute you have a dead body. What's the difference? Why is the live body beautiful to look at ,interesting and the dead body is different. What's missing? The body will no longer be very valuable. So long as you are in the body is very valuable. Devotee:it...(26:50) Gurumaharaj: alright(laughter) Devotee:if you sleep... And if one... Or they get. Just like a man.. When I dream....that may kill.... You had a dream... But if one wake up... The body.. He can't come back. That's like.. I mean the body will die....and you know.(27:00) Gurumaharaj: Right. So when a person is sleeping,and they are dreaming,the mind leaves the body but its connected to the body by a thin silver chord ,subtle chord. Just like sometimes if person someone is asleep,dreaming and then suddenly wake them up.....they get really startled and they may kill him. Actually its outside the body but its connected with the body psychically. That's why people are supposed to be waken up gently. Just in a second they come back to their body but they are connected with the body . If the connection is cut . Sometimes yogis and different people they leave their bodies in the sacred plane but if they get severed from the connection of their body then its very dangerous,they can die. . . So when we talk about leaving the body. When we leave the body totally that's known as death. For the body but for the soul,there's no death. So the body,the soul always goes somewhere in order to take another birth and enters into the womb at the time of conception and then that's a new birth. The time its in the womb its like sleeping. Its like you sleep at night you sleep for twelve hours,sorry six hours.. So when you are in the womb you sleeping for seven months,nine months . You wake up, you forget what was your previous. Just like you forget what happened yesterday,what happened last year,so what to speak when you are sleeping for nine months you forget your whole previous birth. Sometimes babies can remember their previous life. Many psychologist and scientists have recorded those information and researched them. So the thing is to reawaken our spiritual awareness by chanting Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare .(devotees chant with gurumaharaj) That vibration is especially meant to awaken our spiritual consciousness. So that,that way you will be able to transcend this material sufferings and to achieve liberation, achieve Krishna. So do you chant Hare Krishna? Will you? Everyone :Yes Gurumaharaj: Thank you very much Do you have any cards ? I heard there were some cards made out. I was told that they have printed out . The last question. Devotee: It says..Those who worship ghosts. And the ... Worship the holy ghosts(Gurummaharaj:haha)hahaha.Audience (laughter) Gurumaharaj :laughing... Hahah Devotee: Worshipping ghosts... Doing his... He suffered because of his karma...this is real ghost. Worshiping ghost in like in the mode of passion. Something like ...said that...the subtle body... Doing his... He suffered because of his karma I mean, I want to say....his they uhh...(30:50) Gurumaharaj :samskara patras. Lord Chaitanya. Otherwise I will have to sign them.. Not in the side. In the front part . Samskara patras. Put it on the side.(31:56) Devotee:...uhhh... Worshipping the holy ghost..(32:15) Gurumaharaj: Om... Light . Action .. I just met recently about four days ago Quito,Ecuador with the worshiper probably of the woman Catholic church there. We discussed in their theology they have the father,the holy ghosts and the son . So in the Krishna Conscious, Vedic,vaishnava philosophy, we also have the Param Purusa or the Supreme Person . Krishna describes in the Bhagavad Gita: Aham bija pradapitah ." I am the seed giving father of all living entities ".And He has an expansion.. They said that the nature of the holy ghost is that the holy ghost is present everywhere,all pervasive. So in the Vedas it is described that the paramatma or the supersoul is all pervasive. And they say that the son of God means that He is the manifestation of God on the earth. So there's a similar saktavesha avatara or gurutattva which is actually Krishna Himself manifested in this world to uplift. So in this way the a correlation between father,holy ghost and the son in the Christianity. Its not that the holy ghost is the Supersoul or all pervasive Vishnu. That say a ghost, a holy ghost that's obviously different.a ghost. Just say a man commits suicide because he doesn't want to have the material body,he is suffering. So as a reaction when we die our subtle body,the mind ,intelligence and false ego takes us into the womb ,into the next birth. But this person because he didn't want a body. He killed himself ,that means he killed himself,destroyed his body. There's a karma for that sometimes don't get another body they have to wonder about without a body ,those are called ghost . So those are, its a very hellish kind of living . For that in case our mother and father or someone might be stuck in various kinds of opposition. There are various ,certain Vedic rituals,offerings you make Krishna on their behalf so that they will be freed from the karma for that and they can go on and take another birth. Because that's like a limbo state when one is stuck up in between births. They wanna enjoy the senses but they have got no body so they can't do that. They have a subtle body and no gross body,they have no senses. So sometimes they take over intoxicated people or drunk people's body to enjoy . Through their senses they enjoy. Or sometimes when someone is sleeping and is not clean ,one doesn't wash the mouth,the feet the face , the hands or otherwise is not in a clean state then they can enter through the dirt of the person . And usually a person who is being disturbed by ghosts when they are asleep they start to druid from the side of their mouth symptoms that someone's being haunted by ghosts at that time. Through their senses they try to enjoy material sense gratification by going into someone's body. That's why some people get confused with reincarnation something like that.Enter into someone else's body. It's not reincarnation. Reincarnation means you take a new birth. At the time of conception you enter into the womb , a birth,a new birth. So I brought a special card for people who are going to be chanting Hare Krishna or are chanting . From India which I would like to present you. Two..uhh.one for each. Called the samskara patra or the order of Lord Chaitanya. On the back of the card it gives the Hare Krishna mahamantra .Hare Krishna Hare Krishna. Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare.(devotee: Chanting) Below that there's another mantra which can give one the special mercy of Lord Chaitanya to be able to chant Hare Krishna without any mistakes or impediments. You see it starts with the word Jaya .. Jaya Sri Krishna Chaitanya Prabhu Nityananda Jaya Advaita Gadadhara Srivas Adi Gaura Bhakta Brnda. So you chant first Lord Chaitanya's name as an invocation on Hare Krishna . So we like to present this card. In the front it says let it be known that the highly fortunate Sri or Srimati. Sri is for men . Srimati is for women. Mati ,Srimati means mother. Has accepted the holy order of Lord Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu and thus will try to chant the Hare Krishna mahamantra at lest 108 times daily the Hare Krishna mahamantra to achieve real happiness in life . 108 times means about 8 minutes a day . Takes abut seven eight minutes to chant 108 times to chant Hare Krishna Hare Krishna KrishnaHare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare. So do you think that in a day you can chant,ten minutes a day ? Devotee:chant...uhh. Thirty minutes.. Gurumaharaj: Well we recommend upto two hours a day upto sixteen times. But in the beginning its a good start . You can start if you have time . You do a half hour .there's no limit. . Its very good. If you like to fill it up that's very good then we can keep a record on your spiritual progress. In the back it says spiritual progress record . I am presently chanting or I would like to be a vegetarian or I have interest in some other. So this card is from Bangalore,India. So some other things might not be appropriate . If anything there is of any interest to you ,you can just check it .. Like preaching Krishna consciousness in following areas. Worldwide,Asia ,India,when it says Karnataka,Bangalore,its local , your own hometown. So then I will sign in one half and you get to keep it and they will keep the other half, in the other half ,in the side it has the Hare Krishna mantra on it. Like any,yeah, anything if its interesting. Like under three it says I am interested in preaching,how much time can you give or serving in the asrama or serving in the home. Like you might like to do some home worship or other . Other means you put in that blanc anything else you like to do at home . Basically there's three categories,preaching,serving at home,serving at asrama . That's just for the spiritual reference. Then I will give you a cookie. Devotee : Jaya Gurumaharaj Ki Everyone:Jaya!
By Snigdhamayi Sudevi Devi Dasi,Kolkata,India.
Type of lecture: Bhagavad Gita class