19840422 Caitanya Caritamrita Adi Lila 9.49-50 Atlanta
The following is a lecture given by His Holiness Jayapataka Swami on April 22d, 1984 in Atlanta, Georgia. The class begins with a reading from the Sri Caitanya-Caritamrta, Adi-lila, Chapter 9, Verse 49 and 50.
mahā-mādaka prema-phala peṭa bhari’ khāya
mātila sakala loka — hāse, nāce, gāya
mahā-mādaka prema-phala peṭa bhari’ khāya
mātila sakala loka — hāse, nāce, gāya
Jaya Gaura Nitai
The fruit of love of Godhead distributed by Caitanya Mahāprabhu is such a great intoxicant that anyone who eats it, filling his belly, immediately becomes maddened by it, and automatically he chants, dances, laughs and enjoys.
Translation with repetition:
The fruit of love
Deovtees: The fruit of love
Jayapataka Swami: of Godhead
Devotees: of Godhead
Jayapataka Swami: distributed by Caitanya Mahāprabhu
Devotees: distributed by Caitanya Mahāprabhu
Jayapataka Swami: is such a great intoxicant
Devotees: is such a great intoxicant
Jayapataka Swami: that anyone who eats it
Devotees: that anyone who eats it
Jayapataka Swami: filling his belly
Devotees: filling his belly
Jayapataka Swami: immediately becomes maddened by it
Devotees: immediately becomes maddened by it
Jayapataka Swami: and automatically
Devotees: and automatically
Jayapataka Swami: chants
Jayapataka Swami: laughs
Jayapataka Swami: and enjoys
Devotees: and enjoys
keha gaḍāgaḍi ka…
keha gaḍāgaḍi yāya, keha ta’ huṅkāra
dekhi’ ānandita haṣā hāse mālākāra
When Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, the great gardener, sees that people are chanting, dancing and laughing and that some of them are rolling on the ground and some of them are making loud humming sounds, and shouting out, He smiles with great pleasure.
This attitude of… Oh sorry, with repetition:
When Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu
Devotees: When Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu
Jayapataka Swami: the great gardener
Devotees: the great gardener
Jayapataka Swami: sees that people are chanting
Devotees: sees people are chanting
Jayapataka Swami: dancing and laughing
Devotees: dancing and laughing
Jayapataka Swami: and that some of them are rolling
Devotees: and some of them are rolling
Jayapataka Swami: on the floor
Devotees: on the floor
Jayapataka Swami: and some are making loud humming sounds
Devotees: and some are making loud humming sounds
Jayapataka Swami: and shouting loudly
Devotees: and shouting loudly
Jayapataka Swami: He smiles with great pleasure
Devotees: He smiles with great pleasure
This attitude of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu is very important for persons engaged in the Hare Kṛṣṇa movement of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. In every center of our institution, ISKCON, we have arranged for a love feast every Sunday… Appropriate purport to today.
…and when we actually see people come to our center, chant, dance, take prasādam, become jubilant and purchase books, we know that certainly Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu is always present in such transcendental activities, and He is very pleased and satisfied. Therefore the members of ISKCON must increase this movement more and more, according to the principles that we are presently trying to execute. Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, thus being pleased, will smilingly glance upon them, bestowing His favor, and the movement will be successful.
This is not an unusual... This is something which we find… rarely we find but sometimes great rich people they like to just give out… put on big festivals, give out free charity. Used to be a movie, a television show when I was a child called the Millionaire, used to just give out million dollars, liked to see other people enjoy. Haven't watched television since then but there was one thing, when someone would win a opportunity to go into a grocery store, had half hour or ten minutes to take as much as they could and so they’re scrambling.
Of course that idea of seeing someone just taking, enjoying, giving out some charity very freely, that’s a rare quality. But every quality that you see, every good quality you see and of course even, in Krishna even the bad qualities you see they are transformed into something good or they are, in Him they are good. But everything is coming from Krishna because He is the origin, aham sarvasya, everything is originating from Him, janmadasya yatah naturally that quality is also there in Krishna, so how does Krishna manifest that quality that’s manifested or displayed in the personality of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. That He simply gives out unlimited mercy and He enjoys seeing the people become completely ecstatic dancing and laughing, and even rolling on the floor. This gives Him great pleasure. So that is the mood of Caitanya Mahaprabhu but His anxiety is that “How many people can I personally distribute it to?” Therefore He asked everyone to come forward and help in His great welfare activity, to give out the mercy without any discrimination, to give out the mercy to everyone freely.
So just as when Lord Ramachandra He came and He requested all of His devotees to assist Him, in getting back Sita who was stolen by Ravana. Then Hanuman and all of the monkeys and other devotees they assisted Him in waging war against Ravana and they rescued Sita, and in Krishna’s pastimes of course Arjuna wanted to give up fighting but He told him that if you want to give up fighting that’s your prerogative but you will be a failure in life. The best thing of course is to fight because you are a ksatritya. But even more exalted is if you just do what I want. And I want that there should be this final confrontation so that once and for all a proper God conscious administration is established in the world.
Well, specifically in the other ages when Krishna came He would come often as a ksatriya and even in that lila, in that pastime, He would come as a warrior sometimes because ksatriya of course is considered even in the Vedas as naradeva or God on earth, God amongst men, because his duty is to protect the common man, which is uh, representative of Krishna who, God is ultimately the supreme protector. But Krishna is known as tri yuga, He only comes as God in the three ages, Golden, Silver and Bronze. He doesn’t come in the Iron Age as the Lord Himself, although He comes, His original self descends, but in disguise as a covered incarnation or a channa avatara, as a hidden incarnation He comes, disguised as His own devotee, so in that role He doesn’t take up the sword or the sudarsana cakra normally to punish the miscreants and protect His devotees in that way. Instead this time His mission is He wants to just make everyone completely ecstatic in love for Godhead.
He is defeating them by love. But just as the monkeys or as Arjuna and the Pandavas and other devotees would always assist the Lord similarly Lord Caitanya is asking for assistance from His devotees. But instead of taking swords bows and arrows and so on you just take up the khol, the mridanga, the kartals, the books and give people transcendental inspiration to take up the chanting of the holy names of God, to take up the distribution of transcendental knowledge and enlightenment.
If people gave half the chance to the devotees to hear what their message was they would be so fortunate. Unfortunately sometimes people are so busy. Once Srila Prabhupada told a story that was later made into a skit about a man who was so busy carrying stones, he had no time, no time to hear what the devotees had to say. He was such a mudha, working hard like an ass, no time. This idea of no time, no time of course was epitomized in English, I think it’s in the Alice in Wonderland, the mad Hatter, “No time, no time.” running here and there, he has no time. So modern society is running so quickly they have not time to know how to be really happy. They have to no time actually understand what it is the purpose of life, where they are going. They are going, they have no time, but where they are going and its, so many things have happened and so fast. Even our devotees, we find ourselves hard put, figure out my itinerary for South America but so many things happening, I had no time. People phoning, people coming to discuss, so...
What to speak the karmis, they have no time at all, to understand about Krishna consciousness. But they have so much time to spend in this Easter weekend, how many people are going to church, and how many are going to drink or how many are doing both you see? Very little inclination for spiritual life and whatever inclination is there of course that is also not properly directed to actually achieving love for Godhead. They are directed towards loving their family, loving their nation, which are inferior priorities. Hardly are they directed to really love God, nor even if they were directed to love God, they don’t know the process how to love God. Adau sraddha sat sanga anartha nivrtti bhajana kriya nistha ruci asakti bhava prema, that what are the stages of love for God, how one develops love for Godhead, how all the dirt is cleansed from the heart by abhadrani sudurmati, by this glorifying the Supreme Personality of Godhead, this secret where they will find out? Who is telling him? Its there in all the holy books but practical example is required.
So that practical example was given by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu as it mentioned in the previous verse, Lord Caitanya taught by His own example. He taught what is real love for Godhead. When He would chant and dance He would not be thinking about anything else but simply giving transcendental satisfaction to Krishna, the supreme person. And the intensity of love that He displayed is inconceivable. So much so that even today five hundred years later anyone who takes up the chanting of
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare
They can also feel the same transcendental ecstasy that was exhibited by Caitanya Mahaprabhu of course in its minute quantity compared to His. But that minute quantity for us is still an ocean, a tidal wave, far more than any other happiness that you can experience on the material plane. Material happiness is like a roller coaster ride, sometimes you are up on the top and sometimes you are down on the bottom. But the whole situation is… is uh, nonstop fear and suffering. Just depends on your attitude. If you want to think you are having fun, you are having fun. If you want to be frightened, you are frightened because the actual situation is fearful. But if you want to think it’s fun and you are having fun then you are up, you are down like that. You feel a little relief once you come up and then whoosh,
kabhu narake ḍubāya, kabhu svarge uṭhāya
daṇḍya-jane rājā yena nadīte cubāya
sometimes the person is given heavenly existence, all opulence, all fame, beauty, longevity, education, learning. Sometimes one is put in hellish condition, suffering, disease, litigation, infame or infamy, and mental anxiety, suffering so on. These things are changing, nothing stays constant. Suffering doesn’t stay constant, the misery doesn’t stay constant. But chanting Hare Krishna that stays constant. If you continue to chant Hare Krishna continuously you will experience the same transcendental relishment in different flavors. Flavor may change but the relishing doesn’t stop. There is no mixture of material misery.
Like Srila Prabhupada explained that material happiness is like sweet rice. Sweet rice is very wonderful to taste, milk and rice preparation. But this sweet rice is unique it has sand in it. So even though you get a sweet taste its always the grit. Material happiness is not pure. Its mixed with various degrees of inconvenience and misery. But the happiness given by Lord Nitai Gaura that premananda that is completely unmixed, pure. It doesn’t have any material suffering mixed with it. Material sufferings is due to our material attachments. Attachments to our psychological, physical situation, attachment to our material life. That is the only cause for our suffering. If we are completely Krishna conscious then there is no suffering at all. Haridasa Thakura was being beaten in twenty two market places, he didn’t suffer. He didn’t experience any suffering as an ordinary person would. Whatever pain he experienced he didn’t consider it to be suffering at all.
So of course to preach Krishna consciousness and to tolerate these inconveniences that is of course an austerity. But it’s a type of burden of love. There is mention that there are different kinds of burdens of love. Just like a mother carries the baby. So it’s a burden but she loves the… her baby. So it’s a burden of love. Newly wed wife she carries the burden of her husband on her honeymoon but when they are making, you know… when they are having their relation, but that’s a burden of love. You can tolerate those things. There are so many material burdens of love that people tolerate. So our burden of love is that we tolerate this inconvenience of telling people that they should become ecstatic in love for Godhead even though they are completely disinterested because we know that that’s pleasing to our loved one Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, Lord Nityananda and their pure devotees in disciplic succession, Srila Prabhupada, Srila Acaryadeva, Srila Bhaktipada and so on. And that austerity involves of course, that is considered a very insignificant compared to the idea of pleasing our loved one.
So Prabhupada here, “Therefore the members of ISKCON must increase this movement more and more, according to the principles that we are presently trying to execute. Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, thus being pleased, will smilingly glance upon them, bestowing His favor, and the movement will be successful.” So we simply use whatever intelligence, whatever ability, whatever energy we have how to increase this movement more and more either in the front line or in some supportive role. Then we will get the smiling glance of Lord Caitanya upon us.
ei mālākāra khāya ei prema-phala
niravadhi matta rahe, vivaśa-vihvala
ei mālākāra khāya ei prema-phala
niravadhi matta rahe, vivaśa-vihvala
The great gardener, Lord Caitanya, personally eats this fruit, and as a result He constantly remains mad, as if helpless and bewildered.
The great gardener,
Devotees: The great gardener,
Jayapataka Swami: Lord Caitanya
Devotees: Lord Caitanya
Jayapataka Swami: personally eats this fruit
Devotees: personally eats this fruit
Jayapataka Swami: and as a result
Devotees: and as a result
Jayapataka Swami: He constantly remains mad
Devotees: He constantly remains mad
Jayapataka Swami: as if helpless and bewildered
Devotees: as if helpless and bewildered
It is the mission of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu to act Himself and teach the people. He says, āpani ācari’ bhakti karila pracāra. One must first act himself and then teach. This is the function of a real teacher. Unless one is able to understand the philosophy that he speaks, it will not be effective. Therefore one should only… excuse me, one should not only understand the philosophy of the Caitanya cult but also implement it practically in one’s life.
While chanting the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu sometimes fainted and remained unconscious for many hours. He prays in His Śikṣāṣṭaka:
yugāyitaṁ nimeṣeṇa cakṣuṣā prāvṛṣāyitam
śūnyāyitaṁ jagat sarvaṁ govinda-viraheṇa me
“O Govinda! Feeling Your separation, I am considering a moment to be like twelve years or more. Tears are flowing from My eyes like torrents of rain, and I am feeling all vacant in the world in Your absence.” (Śikṣāṣṭaka 7). This is the perfectional stage of chanting the Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra and eating the fruit of love of Godhead, as exhibited by Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. One should not artificially imitate this stage, but if one is serious and sincerely follows the regulative principles and chants the Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, the time will come when these symptoms will appear. Tears will fill his eyes, he will be unable to chant the mahā-mantra distinctly, and his heart will throb in ecstasy. Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu says that one should not imitate this, but a devotee should long for the day to come when such symptoms of trance will automatically appear in his body.
Thus end Srila Prabhupada’s Purport.
Srila Prabhupada says that unless one is able to understand the philosophy that he speaks he will not be effective. So what does it mean to understand the philosophy? Factual understanding means you practice it. If you really understand the philosophy that means you are going to practice it. In India you find that there are many panditas, even in the West you find these scholars. The scholars they may academically understand the nomenclature of a particular philosophy or ideology in some kind of a superficial way, a categorical way. But that’s a very non-consequential understanding. To actually understand Krishna consciousness means that to understand it and to practice it. Real understanding means that actually you know how to practice it and if you really understood Krishna consciousness you would practice it because it’s not simply a philosophy to know, it’s a philosophy to understand. And you cannot understand it unless you practice it. Theoretically you can know about it. But to understand it you must practice it because it is a philosophy based upon personal, individual realization.
To understand what is love for Godhead, how will you know unless you are dancing and laughing and rolling on the ground and just to imitate that, that also wont do. If you imitate, some one may jump up and down. I have seen the Sufis and other groups, sometimes I think in south, here they have some groups that roll around and everything. But the point is that to actually practice God consciousness and chanting the holy names until spontaneously, within one, these tears come, the desire to chant and dance come, the spontaneous laughter comes, not that one artificially forces it. Otherwise you could put chilies in your nose or something and somehow or another you could (laughter) force tears to come, that’s another thing. Or like a dramatic performance, some people they are very expert, they can make emotion come. Dramatic school they train one to think, oh think that your mother is sick, they start to cry or think you just got a million, they try to be able to make spontaneously those emotions come. It’s not like that. That’s very superficial.
But to chant and actually right from the core of your heart, right from the spiritual platform that that contact with Krishna is established and that contact creates these vikaras or these changes in consciousness which produce crying or laughter. In fact the mind is practically like the bystander, it’s just standing on the side, doesn’t even really know what’s going on. Its beyond the mind, nothing to do with the mind. It’s coming from the spiritual platform and the mind is of course enjoying along with the senses but it is something which is beyond the comprehension of the mind. Mentally this ecstasy cannot be understood.
You can understand material happiness and distress to a certain degree but this is beyond the understanding capacity of the mental strata. The mind is left on the side during these pastimes, so to speak. In other words it is coming from a higher platform. It’s not originating on the mental platform. Therefore all one has to do is chant and practice and then spontaneously when one gets serious or one gets special mercy these types of ecstatic symptoms appear. So one should long for that, should desire, “When will I have love for Krishna, when will I have love for Godhead?” that longing should be there. But one shouldn’t artificially try to impose it. It will happen in its own accord.
So then why do we follow regulative principles? Why do we avoid taking meat and fish and eggs and intoxication and other extra marital sexual relations and so on and gambling. Because to actually experience love for Godhead, those ecstasies the mind has to be in its natural state, the consciousness rather should be in its natural state, and from there it can be elevated to the spiritual platform of appreciating the ecstasies of love for Godhead. But if already the mind is being completely distorted, the consciousness is being affected by these type of very gross materialistic activities, well it will not be in a receptive attitude to be able to experience these very subtle, transcendental spiritual experiences. It will already be, just as much as someone who is completely intoxicated won’t be able to appreciate a fine art or music in the same way someone who is in a very sober and conscious platform.
So these types of activities are form of material intoxication. They make the mind absorbed in material consciousness. So these grossest of material contaminating, lowering activities they have to be given up. Then one can experience love for Godhead, but Lord Caitanya is so kind that even if one chants, even if one is not perfectly giving up all these things, still one gets a little taste. It’s not that even you are drunk, if you see a beautiful symphony something you will perceive but not, you won’t get the complete idea. You will get some idea. Even you are materially contaminated there is a chance that if still somehow or another you chant you can still experience that there is something special about that. But you won’t get a clear idea. Then you give up. That’s enough of an impetus to just, for some time as an experiment if nothing less… if nothing more rather, then at least you try to chant sincerely for some period of time without all these distractions and then one can perceive the full.
I think I explained one time how Haridasa Thakura he was, he was chanting, and he was just so much, he was completely filled in ecstasy. Actually what happened was there was a snake charmer and he was playing the flute and making a snake dance. And suddenly he started to sing the pastime of Kaliya damana, where Krishna danced on the serpent Kaliya’s heads and in this way defeated and the beautiful song explaining how that serpent was so fortunate to get the lotus impressions of Krishna’s lotus feet on his head.
So in this way when Haridasa Thakura heard that devotee who was a snake charmer by profession, chanting, he began to dance in ecstasy. And he fell into trance and he became completely unaware the external surroundings. He didn’t realize there were literally as he was dancing in ecstasy and chanting the names of Krishna that so many villagers had gathered. He was just loudly chanting and dancing ecstatically jumping and twirling and in this way he was so ecstatic.
But nearby there was one brahmana who was reading fortunes or something and people would be coming to him and suddenly no one paid any attention to him. They were all looking at Haridasa Thakura, they were all paying obeisances to Haridasa Thakura, but Haridasa Thakura he wasn’t at all aware of the presence of any one else. He was at that time absorbed in the trance of chanting. So it wasn’t that he was chanting to get some kind of adoration from the common people but he had, being so advanced sometimes these advanced devotees they fall into trance, when they get some spiritual impetus, they just lose awareness of the external world. They become stunned or they become ecstatic or they become mad. So like this Haridasa Thakura was dancing practically in madness of love for Godhead.
So this snake charmer he became envious. And so what he did, he thought that why he is getting so much adoration, anybody can dance like that, what’s the big deal. So he stood up and he started to jump and dance but when you dance like that, I mean any devotee can see, devotee who has tasted even a slight bit of transcendental ecstasy or bliss when they see someone artificially imitating, they can immediately pick up that “This person is bogus.”
I know even when in Rathayatra in 1968 where I joined there was one bogus yogi from India who came and he started jumping up and down with the devotees and everyone could understand it. This guy is not actually experiencing transcendental bliss. He is just showing off, some stiffness, some unnatural, you can see that it’s something that, from a different platform. When a devotee even may not be artistically perfect, it might not be musically perfect, it might not be you know according to the art of dance or whatever, it may not be in the proper form or time or whatever but you can see that it is something very spontaneous and natural about it, which someone who is chanting in kirtana just trying to show off. It just comes in a, like a different vibration, it’s not the same. It’s on a different. We have seen in so many cases. So I am sure anyone could experience that if they have seen such a thing.
So here this snake charmer he could see that this brahmana jumping up and down dancing, he is completely bogus. That Haridasa Thakura is actually a pure devotee. He is actually dancing in love for Godhead, and here this brahmana is envious of him, therefore he is trying to show off just to get some cheap adoration from the people. Then on top of it the brahmana after jumping and dancing and making a whole show he fell down boom on the ground and started to quiver and shake as if he had fallen in like complete samadhi and trance and that got the… meanwhile Haridasa Thakura he didn’t even know what’s going on, he is just dancing and kind of going on. And that snake charmer he became so angry. He just stood up and told “This person is a complete imposter.” Said, “What do you mean? He is a brahmana!”
He went and gave him a good kick, “If he’s in trance he won’t get up. He’ll be… he’ll be impervious to the... Pow, kick.
“Owe oh oh oh oh!” He started screaming you know. (laughter) So then everyone, “See he is completely trying to cheat you. Haridasas Thakura is a real devotee, he is actually in a trance of ecstasy and samadhi. And this person is simply trying to cheat you.” The people became so angry, they picked up sticks and stones and they started running after the brahmana ran for his life, being chased after by the villagers and kids.
So this is the actual thing of course. Whenever there is real devotees and then when they get success in preaching, when they get success in tasting love for Godhead that may inspire others. There is always some imitation people they want to take advantage. They think oh I can do the same thing, but they don’t follow the authorized system. Instead they simply imitate and try to cheat the people. In any kind of spiritual movement that is always the danger. For every bonafide movement there are imitations.
Nonetheless we have to go with our purpose which is to give the pure message of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu, give people Krishna prasadam, let them chant and dance, and dance in ecstasy. And if they follow this system they will be able to experience the actual sentiment the actual experience of love for Godhead, which is the real happiness that everyone is hankering for. And the more that the movement expands, the more that the people will become swept away. But we should personally be very careful that in case we start to dry up, the flood waters of love for Godhead start to decrease, then somehow we should try to again increase that by very carefully chanting, by associating with senior devotees. Somehow we should again build up our water level, the floods and then we remain secure.
This especially Narottama dasa Thakura he prayed to Lord Nityananda, ha ha prabhu nityananda premananda sukhi, O My dear Lord Nityananda, You are always filled with the ecstasy of pure love for Godhead, ekona daya karo ami boro dukhi, kindly have immediately Your mercy upon me of this pure love for Godhead because I am very unhappy, I am very miserable and unfortunate, you see. So we can pray to Lord Caitanya and Lord Nityananda that we are the most fallen and they are the most merciful. Since they are the most merciful, and we are the most fallen, therefore we can claim that we have a priority for being delivered. Right? If someone says “I want to give out charity, who is the most needy, the most needy will get first.” So we are the most needy, we should have that attitude, this is humility. There is no one who needs Your mercy more than me. There is no one more fallen, more unfortunate, with less devotion, less enthusiasm, less spiritual qualification, therefore I need your mercy most of all. We should pray like that but we of course we shouldn’t try to act like that.
We should try sincerely to act in a way that is pleasing to Lord Caitanya but we can present our case as being actually the most needy. We should feel like that, that we need His mercy more than else. Everyone else is so advanced, they are so expert, they are so enthusiastic, they are so fixed in their spiritual master’s service. They are in every respect so qualified. Therefore they don’t need the mercy as much as I do. I need the mercy more because I am a… in a inferior position. This is the art our previous acaryas have shown of attracting the mercy of Lord Caitanya Nityananda. In this way one can also avoid becoming envious of others. You can think “Others are so nice. Let me get the mercy because I need it more.”
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare
Are there any questions?
About who in the spiritual world? Well in Mathura then Ugrasena he is the king and Krishna is a young man, He is assisting. So many pastimes all in Mathura residents receive Krishna. Krishna is loved by everyone. In Dvaraka of course Krishna is the king. Or even He respects Ugrasena or someone else but basically He is the ruler and He has got so many unlimited palaces of course, He has got His. There this parakiya and sakiya. There sakiya rasa is exhibited and in Goloka of course parakiya.
Its not the time, but she came back, she was recovered. Prabhupada was also recovered. That person who tried to take Prabhupada away died. They thought that She was solid gold. They thought Prabhupada was gold as well because they are so beautiful, they are so effulgent, most people believe, just like they took away Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu. They saw His ornaments, He was so effulgent, but then they had to return back.
But there should be steel gates. The main problem was, Prabhupada told us that there would be an armed robbery since we became more opulent. The same deities were there in the grass hut but nobody thought. We put them in a big temple they became o. So you need, we used to have steel gates in the inside of the temple. But when they expanded the new temple they never got around to making the steel gates. I told them dozens of times. I said I put personally the money on the table, buy the gates. They couldn’t decide on what the design should be. (laughter) So never got around to getting it you know. So now they are putting collapsible, this that, forgot about the design.
So its better to be… uh, have precaution. In terms of emergency, one thing is, we found that the devotees didn’t really know what to do. They were completely unprepared and we had hired guards and you couldn’t depend on the hired guards. One of them set the alarm off. But the others just dissappeared. And the hired gunman, when he heard all the gun shots of the… the big band of… gang, all armed to the teeth. You know they accuse the devotees, sometimes if we have a gun or something but you know the world is so terrible. If you don’t have your own weapons to defend yourself, like licensed arms, how can you survive? The police were there, they refused to come because they told that “We don’t want to go right in the middle of it, we might get hurt. We have got wife and children you know, we’ll go, let it cool down a little bit.” (laughs) So really the devotees a certain percentage of it should become expert in defending. In an emergency everyone should know what to do. I mean at least they should know if they are the kind of person that doesn’t know how to do defense kind of activity, not to at least get in the way, phone the police, or just something you know they could in some kind of emergency.
Of course there we’re way out in the country and the danger of being attacked by these big gangs which they still have in India, I don’t think they have in America so much. They used to have in the wild West big gang of robbers and things. I don’t know if they have it America any more. But they have in India. I mean here maybe bicycle clubs or something.
Jayapataka Swami: So there they have this kind of a thing, just have to be prepared. It might come like that in the… after the Third World War people become looting and things like that, trying to get anything. Its good to have steel gates in front of the Deity so that you know no mad man or envious person can just run in there. They are putting in New Orleans. And now in the new temples we are designing in Mayapur very much security conscious.
And just like… just like when Mayapur floods they say that means that the whole world should be flooded by love for Godhead from the holy dhama. So the demons are trying to take Laksmi, Radha is the original Goddess of Fortune or the origin of all Goddesses of Fortune, that means all over the world they want to take the fortune of the Krishna conscious movement away and therefore the devotees they should be very careful to protect the Goddess of Fortune and make her unavailable for being taken. Of course She will be returned but we should take the precaution that the demons cannot uh… When our movement didn't have you see, if you have opulent things and people, there is nothing to attract them. But when you have some opulent properties the demons they become, they want to take those and enjoy it for themselves so those have to be somehow secured. Here in the West we find that there are certain groups of people they want to try to attack the assets which we have contributed to Krishna. So now we have to take precautions all over the world so that they cannot do that.
Any other question?
Jayapataka Swami: Of course we should see everything that happens as by Krishna’s mercy. Even like sometimes a devotee is criticized what appears to be obstrusely unjust in one circumstance but out of humility the devotee can understand that “Maybe in this area I don’t deserve this, doesn’t seem that I deserve this as bad as I am getting it. But certainly there are so many other areas which I am not getting it which I really deserve but I have been able to conceal it in so many ways.” (laughs) So Krishna you know He knows what we deserve what we get from some source that this must be Krishna’s mercy upon us and some how or another we should get a little bit of mercy in that form, little criticism or something. Maybe the person giving the criticism seems that he is not exactly focused in this, little bit out of perception but surely in other areas like just like sometimes people get away with one thing, but then another thing so.
Of course the other thing as we mentioned yesterday that it’s the duty of acaryas and of leaders to praise and criticize. So we shouldn’t be very sensitive we shouldn't take it personally because, of course fame and infamy that is always there in the material world, and we should always take it as an impetus you see. Sometimes you get praise, by getting praise one shouldn’t think “I am very wonderful.” You should think somehow this is the mercy of guru that I was able to do this thing, by guru and Krishna’s mercy and if someone gets some criticism even though it seems maybe sometimes disproportionate to the actual fault. Then one should take it that “Well this is also Krishna’s mercy, I should be humble, maybe there are some areas I can improve.” And sometimes one gets criticism, any way one goes on continuing doing one’s service, doing one’s duty. And then the actual situation… just like, of course even Srila Prabhupada sometimes certain persons just couldn’t appreciate his contribution to society, to Krishna consciousness. But he knew that he had to carry out his duty to his guru and Krishna and so he did that. And of course they were pleased. And of course when its outside people then it doesn’t affect people very much. And if its someone very near and our some immediate superior, someone whom one respects more or is more intimately connected with, then of course it affects one more. Still that also to be tolerated, not to be accepted personally but more philosophically. One should be a little introspective. Why is Krishna, not taking that this person is doing it, not taking in that sense, but take it “Why is Krishna… what is Krishna trying to teach me?”
Like Prabhupada he saw that alright the other God brothers or other people they don’t appreciate. So this is just simply just telling me Prabhupada, Bhaktisiddhanta Thakura is telling me that we have to establish ourselves independently, of make our movement you see. At that time he tried to get the help of from other God brothers to establish the Krishna consciousness movement there but they weren't appreciative so much. So then he made Krishna consciousness you see. But that was different, that wasn’t criticism, that was just complete, any way we don’t even discuss those things. So that was another thing.
But criticism means you have to see the mood also. What is criticism? If somebody tells you something with the idea of trying to increase your devotional service. That is not, that is like an inspiration. That’s just an encouragement. Sometimes encouragement is given in a negative form and sometimes in a positive form. This is encouragement. That’s not actually, criticism means when you are actually saying oh you are doing bad. I don’t like you, you know, you are no good or something. You are, you are bad, that’s criticism. Someone may offer some suggestion which may be in a negative or positive form, for how to improve your service. Sometimes you may say you are doing very good, that means encouragement you are doing good, keep it up. And sometimes someone may say you are doing good but you could do better. And who does better he would be rewarded accordingly by the mercy of Lord Caitanya.
So then someone may feel “I am already trying so hard and he says I can do better. That’s very inconsiderate! Doesn’t see how hard I…” But actually they are saying all right someone thinks may be you can do better, you can see. Maybe I can do better, let me see if there is any way I can do better. That’s not a criticism, that’s a personal thing. Its just some perception that in the same circumstances possibly other devotees they are able to do better. So in this way you can think, others if they can do better then why I cant do better. Maybe others in same circumstance are able to do more then maybe I can also do more. Why not? That shouldn’t be taken in a personal way and if you are trying what more can anyone ask? You shouldn’t be very sensitive about these things. Its not actually a criticism, it’s a suggestion for how to improve one’s service. It that’s not there, if everyone just whitewashes everything, what’s the, a little bit of pressure is always good. But we should take it in a healthy sporting attitude just like the coach. If the coach always tells the team that you are all great, you are all good, they will all sit on the bench and won’t do anything right? Some time you have to say, he has to jab them a little bit, you know, gets them a little fired up. Sometimes they get angry, sometimes the coach says such a thing that he gets the team angry. They get out there and fight.
Sometimes you do we do our service, but we should do it even with a little, little more fire. Maybe doing just like you can wash the, sweep the floor. You can take two hours to do it and then you can see somebody can do it in ten minutes. In a temple services are such that a person can do the service in a given amount of time but there are specific services like say Deity worship. You are given 5.30 to 6.15 you have to finish. Now you can loaf within that time but you can’t go beyond a certain degree of laxness because you won’t finish in that time, you have to bathe, this… there’s about 150 different things you have to do, you have to finish it within that time. Similarly in sankirtana. If you don’t put your full energy into it, you are going to come back at the end of the day and how many books would you have distributed? But there are other services where there is not that much of an intense pressure. The pressure has to come more from within. So then one can do the same service and take twice as long and someone can do in half the time.
I know Srila Prabhupada he would criticize, you take four hours to cook, you should do it one hour, people are “One hour?” He said “Yes you can cook three vegetables dal rice the chutney and capatis in one hour.” “Impossible!” Then Prabhupada said I’ll show you and he got and in one hour he had prepared everything. He had it completely organized. Heating up the water, this, that, everything and then in one hour he had completely cooked everything you know. And he was looking to me, “How you couldn’t do it! You are wasting so much time.” And then they tried they got done in three hours (laughter) So we should take, of course there are definitely higher standards, and we are not the highest standard. So somebody says “Well you can do better.” We should take it in a humble way and try to work for it.
If you get paid for it then, they are giving money and if you use the money in the service of Krishna, so then it would be a, if you do it as a donation, so that means, if you do it as a service to someone that means that person is indebted to you. So therefore that means according to law of karma they would have to somehow repay you. So in that regard you would become karmically implicated with that person. Just like if somebody gives you a donation then that karma is in that money because they have earned that money through work and that work. So therefore no one should take a donation for himself, unless they want a karma for that. That’s why we take a donation, we give it to Krishna, we take from Krishna our maintenance that we need to subsist in a plain way, simple way. We don’t take the money for our own personal wealth.
So brahmanas they could always, they could collect alms but they would immediately use it in the service of their Deity and charitable works. So they may collect any amount the next day they would be back to zero, they would keep any, they wouldn’t amass it beyond a certain small you know percentage, which was just simple you know, fix their house or whatever was needed, brahmanas would always live very simply. And the ksatriyas and others they wouldn’t be allowed to take charity. That’s why doing service for the Vaisnavas that’s considered to be very good because then you get spiritual benefit. Just by association with non-devotees there could be some type of, it’s not a karma, if you do something as a business and you take payment for that or it’s a business exchange and then if you use that money in the service of Krishna according to the system given by the acaryas (there is a percentage system for different type of people) then you won’t get karma per se but by association there could be some kind of effect on the consciousness just by associating, by being so much, talking with the people, by being in such a close contact. There could be some mental effect that would have to be counteracted by the spiritual… by spiritual practices, by spiritual association.
Jayapataka Swami: Lot of time in the airport (laughter) over prasada.
Jayapataka Swami: It’s good that in the spare moments everyone discusses philosophy. Good example.
Jayapataka Swami: No Lord Caitanya has His own section.
Jayapataka Swami: Yes. Separation, sometimes union, sometimes separation but sometimes Krishna appears to Lord Caitanya, and He feels reunion but then sometimes separated. But that chanting, it’s said that with Lord Caitanya all the associates have male forms but with Krishna of course they had the female forms. The gopis who appear with Krishna in female form, with Lord Caitanya they appear as male form.
Jayapataka Swami: Some. Those who are devotees of Lord Caitanya they are also in Krishna-lila. So if you are a devotee of Lord Caitanya then you also have a place in Krishna’s pastimes.
Jayapataka Swami: Well of course in the material world the person is somewhat dormant, somewhat undeveloped. So when one is fully in a developed stage then you simultaneously have service. For the devotees of Lord Caitanya are also devotees of Lord Krishna.
I hope so. Hare Krishna.
Devotees: Sri Acaryapada ki jaya!
Jayapataka Swami: of course.
Devotees: Jaya! (laughter)
Transcriber: Suvilasi Madhavi dd
Date: 26 May 2015
Revised by Jagannatha dasa Brahmacari