19841231 Caitanya Caritamrita Madhya Lila.19.17 The Lord Instructs Srila Rupa Goswami

Chaitanya Charitamrita, Madhya Lila, chapter 19, verse 17 Recorded on December 31, Monday 1984

Enlightenment 2 Now reading the continuation on “The Lord Instructs Srila Rupa Gosvami, Sri Chaitanya Charitamrita Madhya Lila, chapter 19, text 17 Mookam karothi vaachaalam pangur langhayathe girim Yat kripa tamaham vande sri gurur dina tharinam

bhaṭṭācārya paṇḍita biśa triśa lañā bhāgavata vicāra karena sabhāte vasiyā

TRANSLATION: Śrī Sanātana Gosvāmī used to discuss Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam in an assembly of twenty or thirty learned brāhmaṇa scholars. PURPORT: Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura gives the following commentary on the words bhāgavata vicāra. As confirmed in the Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad (1.1.4-5), there are two kinds of educational systems: dve vidye veditavya iti, ha s ma yad brahma-vido vadanti — parā caivāparā ca. tatrāparā ṛg-vedo yajur-vedaḥ sāma-vedo ’tharva-vedaḥ śikṣā kalpo vyākaraṇaṁ niruktaṁ chando jyotiṣam iti. atha parā yayā tad akṣaram adhigamyate. “There are two kinds of educational systems. One deals with transcendental knowledge [parā vidyā] and the other with material knowledge [aparā vidyā]. All the Vedas — the Ṛig Veda, Yajur Veda, Sāma Veda and Atharva Veda, along with their corollaries, known as śikṣā, kalpa, vyākaraṇa, nirukta, chanda and jyotiṣa — belong to the inferior system of material knowledge [aparā vidyā]. By parā vidyā one can understand the akṣara — Brahman or the Absolute Truth.” As far as the Vedic literature is concerned, the Vedānta-sūtra is accepted as the parā vidyā. Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is an explanation of that parā vidyā. Those who aspire for liberation (mukti or mokṣa) and introduce themselves as vaidāntika are also equal to those groups aspiring to improve religion (dharma), economic development (artha) and sense gratification (kāma). Dharma, artha, kāma and mokṣa are called catur-varga. They are all within the system of inferior, material knowledge. Any literature giving information about the spiritual world, spiritual life, spiritual identity and the spirit soul is called parā vidyā. Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam does not have anything to do with the materialistic way of life; it gives transcendental information to educate people in the superior system of parā vidyā. Sanātana Gosvāmī was engaged in discussing the bhāgavata-vidyā, which means he discussed transcendental superior knowledge. Those who are karmīs, jñānīs or yogīs are not actually fit to discussŚrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Only Vaiṣṇavas, or pure devotees, are fit to discuss that literature. As stated in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam itself (12.13.18): śrīmad-bhāgavataṁ purāṇam amalaṁ yad vaiṣṇavānāṁ priyaṁ yasmin pāramahaṁsyam ekam amalaṁ jñānaṁ paraṁ gīyate yatra jñāna-virāga-bhakti-sahitaṁ naiṣkarmyam āviṣkṛtaṁ tac chṛṇvan supaṭhan vicāraṇa-paro bhaktyā vimucyen naraḥ Although Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is counted among the Purāṇas, it is called the spotless Purāṇa. Because it does not discuss anything material, it is liked by transcendental Vaiṣṇava devotees. The subject matter found in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is meant for paramahaṁsas. As it is said, paramo nirmatsarāṇāṁ satāṁ vedyam. A paramahaṁsa is one who does not live in the material world and who does not envy others. In Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, devotional service is discussed to arouse the living entity to the transcendental position of jñāna (knowledge) and vairāgya (renunciation). As stated in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam (1.2.12): tac chraddadhānāḥ munayo jñāna-vairāgya-yuktayā paśyanty ātmani cātmānaṁ bhaktyā śruta-gṛhītayā “That absolute knowledge is realized by the seriously inquisitive student or a sage, who is well equipped with knowledge and who has become detached by rendering devotional service and hearing the Vedānta-śruti.”

Glories of the Srimad Bhagavatam are explained here. Sometimes people ask this question that in the original four Vedas, although Krishna is mentioned and although this transcendental science is mentioned but its not the main point of discussion. Here it is explained why that the original four Vedas are first giving knowledge about the material world or the Apara vidya. Then those are further explained and finally the combination of Vedic works is the Vedanta sutra which deals purely with the transcendental science. The Srimad Bhagavatam is the natural commentary of the Vedanta sutra. So, the SB is specially relishable for the paramahamsas. The paramahamsas who are simply interested in the transcendental subject matter. They are not concerned about those affairs which are of the temporary material world. SB therefore is considered to be the grantharaja or the king of all books, because it gives us the pure nectar. It has been described as the ripened fruit of the Vedic literature which has got no skin, no tip?, simply pure nectar. Actually in India there are mangoes which practically have no tip? and have very delicate skin and they are very juicy. There is one called the Kohinoor, which is very rare. It is not sold normally in the market. We hear that when they take the mango down they have to have people climb up on the tree and from the top they very carefully take it off, give it to the next person and like this a type of bucket begins, mango begins, one after another they are very carefully, they have to hand that mango from one hand to the next. And then finally they put it on a cotton swab, big cotton so that if you just put it on the hard surface of a table, it will bruise, it is so delicate. Those are exceptionally sweet and juicy. So this SB is also not to be understood by the rough crude understanding of the karmis or the jnanis. It has to be understood under the guidance and in the association of vaishnava devotees of the Lord. Therefore we daily study the SB with the devotees. Sometimes the mayavadis they are trying to discuss all the dry impersonal philosophy and philosophical points and it is not really interesting to the public, so nobody would come. So therefore they have to also tell about the pastimes of Krishna. In India it is very common that the mayavadi preacher would also start to tell about Krishna. But that talking about Krishna is not the same. They don’t actually have pure devotion for Krishna. Rather their discussions about Krishna are polluted by this impersonalist philosophy. One time Srila Prabhupad was doing a program at the ashram of Vinoda Bhave, one of the great assistants of Gandhiji. He just passed away a few years ago, fasting because they wouldn’t stop cow slaughtering in India. Prabhupad was invited in 1975 or 76 to attend a world conference on the Bhagavad-Gita at the ashram of Vinoda Bhave. So there are many eminent scholars and Acharyaas who came. Prabhupad was elected the president of that assembly. But there was Vinoda Bhave had his ashramites chant the Bhagavad gita, I believe it was the second chapter byheart. They just, pretty beautifully they recited it. One of the mayavadi so called gurus who was present, he became envious of the presence of the Hare Krishna devotees who had performed earlier beautiful kirtan and attracted the minds of all the people there with their beautiful kirtan. So he started, he said that, this chanting mantra is the way in this age, and he started a kirtan, and he was chanting , clapping his hand and he was ,Gopala Krishna Sachidaanand Gopala Krishna Sachidaanandam and he was chanting some mantra like that. They were trying but it was like a Pundara trying to imitate Krishna, wasn’t the real thing. So nobody was very inspired by his chanting rather few of his followers were chanting too but it, Prabhupad knew that he was only doing this trying to say “we also worship Krishna but actually you see...” he had said so many things which were impersonal. And just because he had failed to attract the people by that, then he tried, “Let me attract them also, I can do a kirtan”.. But even his kirtan was so dry, that no one was being attracted. Prabhupad he motioned to the devotees to start a big kirtan. As soon as he finished, he just packed everything. Prabhupad had him finish. He is going to cut him off. With mridangas and kartals there was a huge kirtan and everyone became very enlivened by the kirtan. Prabhupad explained that there is difference between the chanting also of a devotee... when a pure devotee chants, then immediately one feels the spiritual enthusiasm and when these jnanis or karmis chant well then it doesn’t have the same potency. Because Srila Prabhupad considered all his followers to be pure devotees, purely trying to serve Krishna for the satisfaction of Guru and Gauranga.

So here we are reading today how Sri Rupa goswami is studying Srimad Bhagavatam and we shall understand that this studying is far different than the ordinary study of material subject matter. This is the actual priority in life to have paravidya. Someone asked last night “we should have paravidya and aparavidya” Both are required but they should be going on side by side so that we know paravidya or transcendental knowledge. Normally the people spend their whole life in studying the aparavidya or materialistic knowledge. And then when it is time , when they need spiritual knowledge then that time it is too late to accumulate so much information to understand the subject matter or that time they are in such bad habit that they are not able to suddenly change and take upto paravidya or spiritual knowledge so.. Kaumaram aachared praagnya... right from the early age even from 5 years of age this habit of studying para vidya spiritual knowledge should be promoted in the human society. One of my relatives they have been favorably materially relatives in previous ashrama. They have been impressed by Krishna consciousness and then they came and asked some of the children of other relatives that “when you go to sleep at night you should pray to God” and they said “who is God?” 3 year 5 year old, they don’t know. In the modern society the level of God consciousness is going down perpetually nil. They regard itself to say the word God. They say it a dirty word practically. Why do you want to talk about that for? So in the children they are not receiving any knowledge in the schools and in the home the young parents, they are not also very atuned to spiritual understanding. So in this way they are growing up in a type of spiritual vacuum. This is going to create a chaotic situation in the society. The people who have been more impious than before and become more difficult to control to keep peace in society. What to speak of having a progressive spiritual society. So actually Krishna consciousness, when it was brought here by Srila Prabhupad its presence in this country and the world has created a type of spiritual environment or a type of spiritual catalyst which is already starting to act and many people are realizing how godless the society is. Of course on the other side many people are going out on the path of a type of aparavidya or materialistic education. So Prabhupad said that our work is not yet finished. He established Krishna conscious centers, but the next thing is these things should be brought to society at large through a type of varnashram propagation. Then the people would actually be able to understand what the real purpose of life and be able to solve their problems. So spiritual understanding is step by step process, it doesn’t happen in every case overnight. If someone had previously been a devotee, they are born somewhere to assist the movement to Chaitanya they may join very quickly. Others may be there who are having less spiritual assets, for them it may take more association and more time even to make them understand basic things because in their childhood they had no information, they had no education on spiritual subject matter. They may also have no inclination. So gradually they have to be brought around by various plans and programs. That was the movement of Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu that He would device various schemes to attract people through the process of chanting Hare Krishna. We should have that sincere faith that if someone chants Hare Krishna they will get a change of heart, “cheto darpana maarjanam bhava mahaadhaavaagni nirvaapanam, shreyah chandrikaa vitaranam vidyaavadhoo jivanam, aanandaambudhi vardhanam, param vijayate Sri Krishna sankirtanam”. By chanting Hare Krishna their heart will be cleansed. To taste the nectar of Krishna consciousness we should have that conviction. Actually we have seen it, you may be surprised, I was surprised. I go round this you know requesting everyone to chant “Hare Krishna”. Sometimes it is considered to be quite normal amongst devotees because that’s not often done now a days. But I find that this is the central point that people should read Srila Prabhupad’s books and chant Hare Krishna and eat prasadam and that is the special medicine which can cure their disease. So one place in India where I was going and I requested people to chant “Hare Krishna” 108 times per day. When I went back 6 months later one man came upto me and he said that “I am chanting now 16 rounds and I want to thank you for saving my life because 6 months ago You gave me one of those cards-samskara patra and since then I have been chanting. You know normally everyone says things like that..21.52?.. but then I noticed that something was unusual about this person, that he didn’t have any fingers, he just had studs like this. And then he said that, “I had leprosy and they said that it was very difficult, I tried so many medicines, I couldn’t get anywhere. When I started chanting Hare Krishna 108 times per day, now they said my leprosy is negative. It has completely gone.” I thought anyway this is a coincidence you know..its not.. may be it is a coincidence, it’s the mercy of Krishna no doubt but well this thing could happen. Then the next day another person came visiting from another city from Orissa and he also said that, “Thank you very much. About a year ago you gave me this chanting and I am chanting”. When he went upto the temple he took his shoes off and he didn’t have any toes. So what happened to you? He said, “I was a leper, but since I have started chanting, now its gone away”. Hn..(exclaims) Hari bol!!! Nitai Gaur Premanandi Hari Hari bol!!!! So we don’t do big healing sessions and..(laughs) faith healing because we don’t want to kind of propose and everyone starts coming in .. We want people who are interested in this paravidya-transcendental knowledge but, the effect of chanting Hare Krishna it actually says in the scripture, it can cure one from both internal and external impurities. So disease is also an impurity- so it cured. Those type of disease because that type of disease is considered to be the result of some very bad karma. And we know that by chanting Hare Krishna one is uplifted from the effects of previous karmas. You see sometimes life token is given for the devotee so that it is an impetus for their purification. But the effective devotional service we shouldn’t lose sight that the devotional service is all we need to achieve perfection in life. We don’t have to avail any other process. Let me just finish this purport here. Srila Prabhupad says, “This is not sentiment. Knowledge and renunciation can be obtained through devotional service (bhaktyā śruta-gṛhītayā), that is, by arousing one’s dormant devotional consciousness, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. When Kṛṣṇa consciousness is aroused, it relieves one from fruitive activity, activity for economic improvement and material enjoyment. This relief is technically called naiṣkarmya, and when one is relieved, he is no longer interested in working hard for sense gratification. Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is Śrīla Vyāsadeva’s last, mature contribution, and one should read and hear it in an assembly of realized souls while engaging in devotional service. At such a time one can be liberated from all material bondage. This was the course taken by Sanātana Gosvāmī, who retired from government service to study Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam with learned scholars. Thus ends the purport of text 17.

So, actually it is said that those two persoChaitanya Charitamrita, Madhya Lila, chapter 19, verse 17 Recorded on December 31, Monday 1984

Enlightenment 2 Now reading the continuation on “The Lord Instructs Srila Rupa Gosvami, Sri Chaitanya Charitamrita Madhya Lila, chapter 19, text 17 Mookam karothi vaachaalam pangur langhayathe girim Yat kripa tamaham vande sri gurur dina tharinam

bhaṭṭācārya paṇḍita biśa triśa lañā bhāgavata vicāra karena sabhāte vasiyā

TRANSLATION: Śrī Sanātana Gosvāmī used to discuss Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam in an assembly of twenty or thirty learned brāhmaṇa scholars. PURPORT: Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura gives the following commentary on the words bhāgavata vicāra. As confirmed in the Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad (1.1.4-5), there are two kinds of educational systems: dve vidye veditavya iti, ha s ma yad brahma-vido vadanti — parā caivāparā ca. tatrāparā ṛg-vedo yajur-vedaḥ sāma-vedo ’tharva-vedaḥ śikṣā kalpo vyākaraṇaṁ niruktaṁ chando jyotiṣam iti. atha parā yayā tad akṣaram adhigamyate. “There are two kinds of educational systems. One deals with transcendental knowledge [parā vidyā] and the other with material knowledge [aparā vidyā]. All the Vedas — the Ṛig Veda, Yajur Veda, Sāma Veda and Atharva Veda, along with their corollaries, known as śikṣā, kalpa, vyākaraṇa, nirukta, chanda and jyotiṣa — belong to the inferior system of material knowledge [aparā vidyā]. By parā vidyā one can understand the akṣara — Brahman or the Absolute Truth.” As far as the Vedic literature is concerned, the Vedānta-sūtra is accepted as the parā vidyā. Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is an explanation of that parā vidyā. Those who aspire for liberation (mukti or mokṣa) and introduce themselves as vaidāntika are also equal to those groups aspiring to improve religion (dharma), economic development (artha) and sense gratification (kāma). Dharma, artha, kāma and mokṣa are called catur-varga. They are all within the system of inferior, material knowledge. Any literature giving information about the spiritual world, spiritual life, spiritual identity and the spirit soul is called parā vidyā. Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam does not have anything to do with the materialistic way of life; it gives transcendental information to educate people in the superior system of parā vidyā. Sanātana Gosvāmī was engaged in discussing the bhāgavata-vidyā, which means he discussed transcendental superior knowledge. Those who are karmīs, jñānīs or yogīs are not actually fit to discussŚrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Only Vaiṣṇavas, or pure devotees, are fit to discuss that literature. As stated in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam itself (12.13.18): śrīmad-bhāgavataṁ purāṇam amalaṁ yad vaiṣṇavānāṁ priyaṁ yasmin pāramahaṁsyam ekam amalaṁ jñānaṁ paraṁ gīyate yatra jñāna-virāga-bhakti-sahitaṁ naiṣkarmyam āviṣkṛtaṁ tac chṛṇvan supaṭhan vicāraṇa-paro bhaktyā vimucyen naraḥ Although Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is counted among the Purāṇas, it is called the spotless Purāṇa. Because it does not discuss anything material, it is liked by transcendental Vaiṣṇava devotees. The subject matter found in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is meant for paramahaṁsas. As it is said, paramo nirmatsarāṇāṁ satāṁ vedyam. A paramahaṁsa is one who does not live in the material world and who does not envy others. In Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, devotional service is discussed to arouse the living entity to the transcendental position of jñāna (knowledge) and vairāgya (renunciation). As stated in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam (1.2.12): tac chraddadhānāḥ munayo jñāna-vairāgya-yuktayā paśyanty ātmani cātmānaṁ bhaktyā śruta-gṛhītayā “That absolute knowledge is realized by the seriously inquisitive student or a sage, who is well equipped with knowledge and who has become detached by rendering devotional service and hearing the Vedānta-śruti.”

Glories of the Srimad Bhagavatam are explained here. Sometimes people ask this question that in the original four Vedas, although Krishna is mentioned and although this transcendental science is mentioned but its not the main point of discussion. Here it is explained why that the original four Vedas are first giving knowledge about the material world or the Apara vidya. Then those are further explained and finally the combination of Vedic works is the Vedanta sutra which deals purely with the transcendental science. The Srimad Bhagavatam is the natural commentary of the Vedanta sutra. So, the SB is specially relishable for the paramahamsas. The paramahamsas who are simply interested in the transcendental subject matter. They are not concerned about those affairs which are of the temporary material world. SB therefore is considered to be the grantharaja or the king of all books, because it gives us the pure nectar. It has been described as the ripened fruit of the Vedic literature which has got no skin, no tip?, simply pure nectar. Actually in India there are mangoes which practically have no tip? and have very delicate skin and they are very juicy. There is one called the Kohinoor, which is very rare. It is not sold normally in the market. We hear that when they take the mango down they have to have people climb up on the tree and from the top they very carefully take it off, give it to the next person and like this a type of bucket begins, mango begins, one after another they are very carefully, they have to hand that mango from one hand to the next. And then finally they put it on a cotton swab, big cotton so that if you just put it on the hard surface of a table, it will bruise, it is so delicate. Those are exceptionally sweet and juicy. So this SB is also not to be understood by the rough crude understanding of the karmis or the jnanis. It has to be understood under the guidance and in the association of vaishnava devotees of the Lord. Therefore we daily study the SB with the devotees. Sometimes the mayavadis they are trying to discuss all the dry impersonal philosophy and philosophical points and it is not really interesting to the public, so nobody would come. So therefore they have to also tell about the pastimes of Krishna. In India it is very common that the mayavadi preacher would also start to tell about Krishna. But that talking about Krishna is not the same. They don’t actually have pure devotion for Krishna. Rather their discussions about Krishna are polluted by this impersonalist philosophy. One time Srila Prabhupad was doing a program at the ashram of Vinoda Bhave, one of the great assistants of Gandhiji. He just passed away a few years ago, fasting because they wouldn’t stop cow slaughtering in India. Prabhupad was invited in 1975 or 76 to attend a world conference on the Bhagavad-Gita at the ashram of Vinoda Bhave. So there are many eminent scholars and Acharyaas who came. Prabhupad was elected the president of that assembly. But there was Vinoda Bhave had his ashramites chant the Bhagavad gita, I believe it was the second chapter byheart. They just, pretty beautifully they recited it. One of the mayavadi so called gurus who was present, he became envious of the presence of the Hare Krishna devotees who had performed earlier beautiful kirtan and attracted the minds of all the people there with their beautiful kirtan. So he started, he said that, this chanting mantra is the way in this age, and he started a kirtan, and he was chanting , clapping his hand and he was ,Gopala Krishna Sachidaanand Gopala Krishna Sachidaanandam and he was chanting some mantra like that. They were trying but it was like a Pundara trying to imitate Krishna, wasn’t the real thing. So nobody was very inspired by his chanting rather few of his followers were chanting too but it, Prabhupad knew that he was only doing this trying to say “we also worship Krishna but actually you see...” he had said so many things which were impersonal. And just because he had failed to attract the people by that, then he tried, “Let me attract them also, I can do a kirtan”.. But even his kirtan was so dry, that no one was being attracted. Prabhupad he motioned to the devotees to start a big kirtan. As soon as he finished, he just packed everything. Prabhupad had him finish. He is going to cut him off. With mridangas and kartals there was a huge kirtan and everyone became very enlivened by the kirtan. Prabhupad explained that there is difference between the chanting also of a devotee... when a pure devotee chants, then immediately one feels the spiritual enthusiasm and when these jnanis or karmis chant well then it doesn’t have the same potency. Because Srila Prabhupad considered all his followers to be pure devotees, purely trying to serve Krishna for the satisfaction of Guru and Gauranga.

So here we are reading today how Sri Rupa goswami is studying Srimad Bhagavatam and we shall understand that this studying is far different than the ordinary study of material subject matter. This is the actual priority in life to have paravidya. Someone asked last night “we should have paravidya and aparavidya” Both are required but they should be going on side by side so that we know paravidya or transcendental knowledge. Normally the people spend their whole life in studying the aparavidya or materialistic knowledge. And then when it is time , when they need spiritual knowledge then that time it is too late to accumulate so much information to understand the subject matter or that time they are in such bad habit that they are not able to suddenly change and take upto paravidya or spiritual knowledge so.. Kaumaram aachared praagnya... right from the early age even from 5 years of age this habit of studying para vidya spiritual knowledge should be promoted in the human society. One of my relatives they have been favorably materially relatives in previous ashrama. They have been impressed by Krishna consciousness and then they came and asked some of the children of other relatives that “when you go to sleep at night you should pray to God” and they said “who is God?” 3 year 5 year old, they don’t know. In the modern society the level of God consciousness is going down perpetually nil. They regard itself to say the word God. They say it a dirty word practically. Why do you want to talk about that for? So in the children they are not receiving any knowledge in the schools and in the home the young parents, they are not also very atuned to spiritual understanding. So in this way they are growing up in a type of spiritual vacuum. This is going to create a chaotic situation in the society. The people who have been more impious than before and become more difficult to control to keep peace in society. What to speak of having a progressive spiritual society. So actually Krishna consciousness, when it was brought here by Srila Prabhupad its presence in this country and the world has created a type of spiritual environment or a type of spiritual catalyst which is already starting to act and many people are realizing how godless the society is. Of course on the other side many people are going out on the path of a type of aparavidya or materialistic education. So Prabhupad said that our work is not yet finished. He established Krishna conscious centers, but the next thing is these things should be brought to society at large through a type of varnashram propagation. Then the people would actually be able to understand what the real purpose of life and be able to solve their problems. So spiritual understanding is step by step process, it doesn’t happen in every case overnight. If someone had previously been a devotee, they are born somewhere to assist the movement to Chaitanya they may join very quickly. Others may be there who are having less spiritual assets, for them it may take more association and more time even to make them understand basic things because in their childhood they had no information, they had no education on spiritual subject matter. They may also have no inclination. So gradually they have to be brought around by various plans and programs. That was the movement of Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu that He would device various schemes to attract people through the process of chanting Hare Krishna. We should have that sincere faith that if someone chants Hare Krishna they will get a change of heart, “cheto darpana maarjanam bhava mahaadhaavaagni nirvaapanam, shreyah chandrikaa vitaranam vidyaavadhoo jivanam, aanandaambudhi vardhanam, param vijayate Sri Krishna sankirtanam”. By chanting Hare Krishna their heart will be cleansed. To taste the nectar of Krishna consciousness we should have that conviction. Actually we have seen it, you may be surprised, I was surprised. I go round this you know requesting everyone to chant “Hare Krishna”. Sometimes it is considered to be quite normal amongst devotees because that’s not often done now a days. But I find that this is the central point that people should read Srila Prabhupad’s books and chant Hare Krishna and eat prasadam and that is the special medicine which can cure their disease. So one place in India where I was going and I requested people to chant “Hare Krishna” 108 times per day. When I went back 6 months later one man came upto me and he said that “I am chanting now 16 rounds and I want to thank you for saving my life because 6 months ago You gave me one of those cards-samskara patra and since then I have been chanting. You know normally everyone says things like that..21.52?.. but then I noticed that something was unusual about this person, that he didn’t have any fingers, he just had studs like this. And then he said that, “I had leprosy and they said that it was very difficult, I tried so many medicines, I couldn’t get anywhere. When I started chanting Hare Krishna 108 times per day, now they said my leprosy is negative. It has completely gone.” I thought anyway this is a coincidence you know..its not.. may be it is a coincidence, it’s the mercy of Krishna no doubt but well this thing could happen. Then the next day another person came visiting from another city from Orissa and he also said that, “Thank you very much. About a year ago you gave me this chanting and I am chanting”. When he went upto the temple he took his shoes off and he didn’t have any toes. So what happened to you? He said, “I was a leper, but since I have started chanting, now its gone away”. Hn..(exclaims) Hari bol!!! Nitai Gaur Premanandi Hari Hari bol!!!! So we don’t do big healing sessions and..(laughs) faith healing because we don’t want to kind of propose and everyone starts coming in .. We want people who are interested in this paravidya-transcendental knowledge but, the effect of chanting Hare Krishna it actually says in the scripture, it can cure one from both internal and external impurities. So disease is also an impurity- so it cured. Those type of disease because that type of disease is considered to be the result of some very bad karma. And we know that by chanting Hare Krishna one is uplifted from the effects of previous karmas. You see sometimes life token is given for the devotee so that it is an impetus for their purification. But the effective devotional service we shouldn’t lose sight that the devotional service is all we need to achieve perfection in life. We don’t have to avail any other process. Let me just finish this purport here. Srila Prabhupad says, “This is not sentiment. Knowledge and renunciation can be obtained through devotional service (bhaktyā śruta-gṛhītayā), that is, by arousing one’s dormant devotional consciousness, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. When Kṛṣṇa consciousness is aroused, it relieves one from fruitive activity, activity for economic improvement and material enjoyment. This relief is technically called naiṣkarmya, and when one is relieved, he is no longer interested in working hard for sense gratification. Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is Śrīla Vyāsadeva’s last, mature contribution, and one should read and hear it in an assembly of realized souls while engaging in devotional service. At such a time one can be liberated from all material bondage. This was the course taken by Sanātana Gosvāmī, who retired from government service to study Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam with learned scholars. Thus ends the purport of text 17.

So, actually it is said that those two persons, their faith was established by chanting so they have taken up devotional service as very seriously. But here we find that like Sanātana Goswami, he didn’t have to see some type of miracle. He was faithful just by hearing the Srimad Bhagavatam in the assembly of realized souls. So that is considered to be a higher type of faith, a faith where you don’t have to show miracles, don’t have to show some kind of special activity. So Krishna consciousness, we tried to avoid this external display either they are mystic powers or our spiritual ecstasies and by the practice of devotional service and by the philosophy of the Srimad Bhagavatam, we inspire the people. That inspiration is more sublime because it is not dependent upon external phenomenon which could be artificially produced by unscrupulous persons. But if one’s realization is based upon transcendental knowledge and realization through the practice of devotional service, then that realization is something which cannot be taken away from you. So we should try to realize devotional service by practicing it personally as Sanātana goswami did. So we go on… āra dina gauḍeśvara, saṅge eka-jana ācambite gosāñi-sabhāte kaila āgamana TRANSLATION: While Sanatana Gosvami was studying Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam in the assembly of learned brahmanas, one day the Nawab of Bengal and another person suddenly appeared. PURPORT: The full name of the Nawab of Bengal (Hussain Shah) was Ālāuddīna Saiyada Husena Sāha Seripha Makkā, and he ruled Bengal for twenty-three years, from 1420 to 1443 Śakābda Era (A.D. 1498 to 1521). Sanatana Gosvami was studying Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam with the scholars in the year 1424 (A.D. 1502). You see, this Gauda, gauda means the land of Bengal, left part of Northern India and is a title which is used by both Hindus and Muslims. He was known as Gaudeshwar, the Nawab or the king of Bengal. I was addressing to the Government that in Bengal, now they are calling the state as West Bengal because originally in India there was west and east Bengal. East Bengal has first been divided as Pakistan now it is called Bangladesh. So there is no longer East Bengal within the country of India. So therefore I said, whats the use of continuing the English name West Bengal? Instead of calling West Bengal, give it a more Indian name. As they had renamed the Mysore state to the name of Karnataka or Bombay state to Maharashtra different Sanskrit names. It is better to call it Gauda Bangla or the land of Bengal which is Gauda. We got thousands of people to sign a petition but as yet the communist government in Bengal hasn’t had a soft heart for this appeal, but we are hopeful. We may be able to get them to change the name of the state to something more vedic because I tell them it is accepted even by the Mohammedan rulers of the previous times. So why shouldn’t it be acceptable to all the communities in Bengal? Muslim Hindu - it is not a sectarian name. But Gaud shows the ancient history-historical cultural heritage of Bengal which almost must have? 31.33 in the right direction. Anyway here we see that, this Allauddina saiyada hussain Sāha Seripha Makkā –he was also known as Gaudeshwar. So that’s the point in favor of that appeal. CC MADHYA LILA 19.19 pātsāha dekhiyā sabe sambhrame uṭhilā sambhrame āsana diyā rājāre vasāilā TRANSLATION: As soon as all the brāhmaṇas and Sanātana Gosvāmī saw the Nawab appear, they all stood up and respectfully gave him a sitting place to honor him. PURPORT: Although Nawab Hussain Shah was a mleccha-yavana, he was nonetheless the governor of the country, and the learned scholars and Sanatana Gosvami offered him all the respect due to a king or a governor. When a person occupies an exalted executive post, one should consider that he has acquired the grace of the Lord. In the Bhagavad-gītā (10.41) Lord Kṛṣṇa says: yad yad vibhūtimat sattvaṁ śrīmad ūrjitam eva vā tat tad evāvagaccha tvaṁ mama tejo-’ṁśa-sambhavam “Know that all beautiful glorious and mighty creations spring but from a spark of My splendor.” Whenever we see something exalted, we must consider it part of the power of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. A powerful man (vibhūtimat sattvam) is one who has obtained the grace of the Lord or has derived some power from Him. In the Bhagavad-gītā (7.10) Kṛṣṇa says, tejas tejasvinām aham: “I am the power of the powerful.” The learned brāhmaṇa scholars showed respect to Nawab Hussain Shah because he represented a fraction of Kṛṣṇa’s power.

So, thus ends Srila Prabhupad’s purport.

In our practical KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS sometimes if someone asks “Well if some important government official will come to the temple, how should we treat with him? He is a karmi, he is a materialist”. But here we see that the proper of dealing with someone who is in a powerful position is you should treat him with respect, offer him a place of honor. Not because particularly that person may be very..otherwise glorious but if he is a powerful, famous, otherwise distinguished person that whatever power, fame, glory good quality he has it is a representation of Krishna’s unlimited power. So in that sense as a type of indirect representative of KRISHNA we offer respect. Even the demigods are accepted as the representatives of Krishna’s power. So we also don’t disrespect them. So even though the Nawab hussain shah was a mlechha or yavana, he was a meat eating uncultured person in terms of higher spiritual values, but he was nonetheless the emperor. Therefore he was given respect by holding an exalted executive post. He said that “Krishna is the supreme protector of all the universes”. So a king or a ruler or as a big government official his duty is actually to protect the citizens. Ofcourse sometimes they don’t, but they have the power to protect the citizens. So therefore they are in one sense a type of partial representative of Krishna atleast Krishna’s protecting potency. Like a judge, Krishna is also the Supreme judge of our material activities. So judge is also a type of representative of Krishna’s judicial characteristic and so on. Someone who may be a great runner or beautiful, so they are representing Krishna’s prowess or His beauty. So we can respect such people. Not seeing them as independent of Krishna but seeing whatever beauty, power there is a fraction of Krishna. So we offer them respect in that way, its more like a social custom you can take it. It is not that we can think they are like the spiritual master or something. But we offer them social etiquette, we offer them respect. And give them the treatment that someone in a representative position of Krishna, powerful position should get. So by doing that like Lord Chaitanya said, Trinaad api suneechena taror iva sahishnuna amaanina maanadena keerthaneeya sada hari. Thinking oneself more insignificant than a straw on the street. And being more tolerant than a tree, ready to offer respect to others and not desiring any respect for oneself-in this humble state of mind one can constantly chant the holy name of Krishna. So that type of politeness if you offer to people it charms them. They a kind of appreciate that. Infact the same sutra given by Lord Chaitanya, the same code is not different than what any professional public affairs, behavioral course would teach you. They are going to give- how to make friends and influence people. Its just the moral is the same thing. You should tell people words encouraging, words praise them; try to find out a good quality that this will make them feel good, receptive. The same formula we offer people respect because? Some tolerance some patience because sometimes people act in such a way that you don’t want to deal with them in a respective way. The tendency is mainly to flare up, to become impatient, to become sharp and byback?38.54 it people. But instead if you are tolerant humble, treat people with respect, it doesn’t expect to receive any respect back and in this way one can preach to them the message of Krishna. I remember one time I walked into a businessmen’s office in India and he is just started to blast me. What are you people doing and he just started shouting at me. Why should I do anything to help you people? You are walking around here just simply collecting money and not doing anything productive, this that started to chastise .So I was just sitting there very humbly “What do you have to say for yourself?” I said, “very glad to come inside a gentlemen’s office like yours” very humbly trying to present this Krishna conscious philosophy and said a few words. Again he ??40.00 then again I coolly tried to answer. Then he looked at me, so what do you want? I said I wanted you to become a life member patron?40.19. Then he opened his desk up with a check on hand, I was just testing you(laughs). Strange character !! ha ha!!(all laugh) Nice member, life member. So Krishna also tests, sometimes He sends someone to test our patience and they may or may not become a life member in the end what not?, but we should be determined to try to always present the better side of Krishna consciousness forward. Ofcourse it is depending on Krishna or His devotees we can you know, it is also our humility to try to protect them with whatever means we have. But in normal circumstance we deal with others as politely as possible. They should always have a good impression that the devotees are very polite, humble, good type of people. This is the quality of a vaishnava. If we act in such a way that people are generally agitated that they are not pleased with the way we are acting that would be a dis-service to the Guru parampara. Even though the emperor came very angry but immediately they stood up, offered him a seat, gave him all respect. So this is the same way we should deal with people. I just remember one devotee of ..who was visiting America from England and he was driving in England and some other countries. Like in Germany, in Germany you know there is no speed limit. You can go 250kms an hour and out of bar, there is no limit at all. So he was going about 85 on the turn bike when one of the street people? Pulled him over and said, started screaming you know, what dare unmentionable things do you think you are doing? 85/ you are going 55-overmiles speed limit? So then the devotee with a accent very humbly replied, now how do I get somewhere? Sorry Sir, in our country there is no speed limit, There wasn’t a notice that I was going overspeed .. and then they said, “Oh, you are a tourist, alright, don’t do it again. Sometime just by dealing in a peaceful manner, not that every time .Sometime you get someone who is very angry, they don’t care, but in general this is the most effective means of dealing. For a devotee especially it is totally out of context to, especially if you are acting as a brahmana as a preacher, if it is acting like a kshatriya it might be something else. It is out of their nature, out of their personality to act in an another way. People will expect that religious people will act in a controlled, peaceful manner. But sometimes they say something offensive about Krishna, we just can’t tolerate it. Then we say something. But for our own people may criticize a devotee personally. Well they just tolerate that. We take fame and infamy with equal strive. Prabhupad taught us in India that we should treat our guest as if Krishna Himself had come. Infact it is a Vedic aphorism that says, atithi Narayana. That unexpected guest should be treated like Narayana. That even if an enemy comes to your house, he should be so well treated that he should think that I am in a home of friends. This is the Vedic system. So when we invite people here to our temple, we should try to receive them greet them and treat them with all warmth, friendship, hospitality so that they have very good impression about the Krishna consciousness movement and that is the actual Vedic system. Traveling in India you experience that sometimes I mentioned many times. I am just -my heart is won over by the hospitality. Ofcourse in the south, we hear about southern hospitality. So, ofcourse India is also considered south although it is a different continent, it is South Asia, This is southern united stats. But there when you go to someone’s house they always offer you a seat, offer you some thing to drink, it is like a ritual, you have to even you don’t take it but they insist you. Even if you don’t drink it but they insist you on giving something, like an obligation. So Prabhupad also wanted them to when anyone comes to a temple, we should be able to provide them in a moment’s notice some prasadam. At onetime even personally he had a letter send out that in the morning there should be a poori dough made and there should be some sabji made or it is ready to be made and if anyone comes, any respectable gentleman comes during the day, gentleman or gentlewomen immediately we should be able to provide them hot pooris and sabji, vegetable right on the spot. I don’t if any temple could able to do that. If they would then all glories to them. That was the type of hospitality Prabhupad wanted to offer, you can imagine, somebody comes in and immediately you are able to provide hot pooris and sabji, and a sandesh or something. If some Indian gentleman comes for darshan and if you offer them that, they will be won over forever.(ha ha!) They do that(ha ha!) Modern technology dovetails. So see Krishna has provided. There must be some..? in the microwave (ha ha!) 20th century we can give hot prasadam in a moments notice.!!! ns, their faith was established by chanting so they have taken up devotional service as very seriously. But here we find that like Sanātana Goswami, he didn’t have to see some type of miracle. He was faithful just by hearing the Srimad Bhagavatam in the assembly of realized souls. So that is considered to be a higher type of faith, a faith where you don’t have to show miracles, don’t have to show some kind of special activity. So Krishna consciousness, we tried to avoid this external display either they are mystic powers or our spiritual ecstasies and by the practice of devotional service and by the philosophy of the Srimad Bhagavatam, we inspire the people. That inspiration is more sublime because it is not dependent upon external phenomenon which could be artificially produced by unscrupulous persons. But if one’s realization is based upon transcendental knowledge and realization through the practice of devotional service, then that realization is something which cannot be taken away from you. So we should try to realize devotional service by practicing it personally as Sanātana goswami did. So we go on… āra dina gauḍeśvara, saṅge eka-jana ācambite gosāñi-sabhāte kaila āgamana TRANSLATION: While Sanatana Gosvami was studying Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam in the assembly of learned brahmanas, one day the Nawab of Bengal and another person suddenly appeared. PURPORT: The full name of the Nawab of Bengal (Hussain Shah) was Ālāuddīna Saiyada Husena Sāha Seripha Makkā, and he ruled Bengal for twenty-three years, from 1420 to 1443 Śakābda Era (A.D. 1498 to 1521). Sanatana Gosvami was studying Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam with the scholars in the year 1424 (A.D. 1502). You see, this Gauda, gauda means the land of Bengal, left part of Northern India and is a title which is used by both Hindus and Muslims. He was known as Gaudeshwar, the Nawab or the king of Bengal. I was addressing to the Government that in Bengal, now they are calling the state as West Bengal because originally in India there was west and east Bengal. East Bengal has first been divided as Pakistan now it is called Bangladesh. So there is no longer East Bengal within the country of India. So therefore I said, whats the use of continuing the English name West Bengal? Instead of calling West Bengal, give it a more Indian name. As they had renamed the Mysore state to the name of Karnataka or Bombay state to Maharashtra different Sanskrit names. It is better to call it Gauda Bangla or the land of Bengal which is Gauda. We got thousands of people to sign a petition but as yet the communist government in Bengal hasn’t had a soft heart for this appeal, but we are hopeful. We may be able to get them to change the name of the state to something more vedic because I tell them it is accepted even by the Mohammedan rulers of the previous times. So why shouldn’t it be acceptable to all the communities in Bengal? Muslim Hindu - it is not a sectarian name. But Gaud shows the ancient history-historical cultural heritage of Bengal which almost must have? 31.33 in the right direction. Anyway here we see that, this Allauddina saiyada hussain Sāha Seripha Makkā –he was also known as Gaudeshwar. So that’s the point in favor of that appeal. CC MADHYA LILA 19.19 pātsāha dekhiyā sabe sambhrame uṭhilā sambhrame āsana diyā rājāre vasāilā TRANSLATION: As soon as all the brāhmaṇas and Sanātana Gosvāmī saw the Nawab appear, they all stood up and respectfully gave him a sitting place to honor him. PURPORT: Although Nawab Hussain Shah was a mleccha-yavana, he was nonetheless the governor of the country, and the learned scholars and Sanatana Gosvami offered him all the respect due to a king or a governor. When a person occupies an exalted executive post, one should consider that he has acquired the grace of the Lord. In the Bhagavad-gītā (10.41) Lord Kṛṣṇa says: yad yad vibhūtimat sattvaṁ śrīmad ūrjitam eva vā tat tad evāvagaccha tvaṁ mama tejo-’ṁśa-sambhavam “Know that all beautiful glorious and mighty creations spring but from a spark of My splendor.” Whenever we see something exalted, we must consider it part of the power of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. A powerful man (vibhūtimat sattvam) is one who has obtained the grace of the Lord or has derived some power from Him. In the Bhagavad-gītā (7.10) Kṛṣṇa says, tejas tejasvinām aham: “I am the power of the powerful.” The learned brāhmaṇa scholars showed respect to Nawab Hussain Shah because he represented a fraction of Kṛṣṇa’s power.

So, thus ends Srila Prabhupad’s purport.

In our practical KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS sometimes if someone asks “Well if some important government official will come to the temple, how should we treat with him? He is a karmi, he is a materialist”. But here we see that the proper of dealing with someone who is in a powerful position is you should treat him with respect, offer him a place of honor. Not because particularly that person may be very..otherwise glorious but if he is a powerful, famous, otherwise distinguished person that whatever power, fame, glory good quality he has it is a representation of Krishna’s unlimited power. So in that sense as a type of indirect representative of KRISHNA we offer respect. Even the demigods are accepted as the representatives of Krishna’s power. So we also don’t disrespect them. So even though the Nawab hussain shah was a mlechha or yavana, he was a meat eating uncultured person in terms of higher spiritual values, but he was nonetheless the emperor. Therefore he was given respect by holding an exalted executive post. He said that “Krishna is the supreme protector of all the universes”. So a king or a ruler or as a big government official his duty is actually to protect the citizens. Ofcourse sometimes they don’t, but they have the power to protect the citizens. So therefore they are in one sense a type of partial representative of Krishna atleast Krishna’s protecting potency. Like a judge, Krishna is also the Supreme judge of our material activities. So judge is also a type of representative of Krishna’s judicial characteristic and so on. Someone who may be a great runner or beautiful, so they are representing Krishna’s prowess or His beauty. So we can respect such people. Not seeing them as independent of Krishna but seeing whatever beauty, power there is a fraction of Krishna. So we offer them respect in that way, its more like a social custom you can take it. It is not that we can think they are like the spiritual master or something. But we offer them social etiquette, we offer them respect. And give them the treatment that someone in a representative position of Krishna, powerful position should get. So by doing that like Lord Chaitanya said, Trinaad api suneechena taror iva sahishnuna amaanina maanadena keerthaneeya sada hari. Thinking oneself more insignificant than a straw on the street. And being more tolerant than a tree, ready to offer respect to others and not desiring any respect for oneself-in this humble state of mind one can constantly chant the holy name of Krishna. So that type of politeness if you offer to people it charms them. They a kind of appreciate that. Infact the same sutra given by Lord Chaitanya, the same code is not different than what any professional public affairs, behavioral course would teach you. They are going to give- how to make friends and influence people. Its just the moral is the same thing. You should tell people words encouraging, words praise them; try to find out a good quality that this will make them feel good, receptive. The same formula we offer people respect because? Some tolerance some patience because sometimes people act in such a way that you don’t want to deal with them in a respective way. The tendency is mainly to flare up, to become impatient, to become sharp and byback?38.54 it people. But instead if you are tolerant humble, treat people with respect, it doesn’t expect to receive any respect back and in this way one can preach to them the message of Krishna. I remember one time I walked into a businessmen’s office in India and he is just started to blast me. What are you people doing and he just started shouting at me. Why should I do anything to help you people? You are walking around here just simply collecting money and not doing anything productive, this that started to chastise .So I was just sitting there very humbly “What do you have to say for yourself?” I said, “very glad to come inside a gentlemen’s office like yours” very humbly trying to present this Krishna conscious philosophy and said a few words. Again he ??40.00 then again I coolly tried to answer. Then he looked at me, so what do you want? I said I wanted you to become a life member patron?40.19. Then he opened his desk up with a check on hand, I was just testing you(laughs). Strange character !! ha ha!!(all laugh) Nice member, life member. So Krishna also tests, sometimes He sends someone to test our patience and they may or may not become a life member in the end what not?, but we should be determined to try to always present the better side of Krishna consciousness forward. Ofcourse it is depending on Krishna or His devotees we can you know, it is also our humility to try to protect them with whatever means we have. But in normal circumstance we deal with others as politely as possible. They should always have a good impression that the devotees are very polite, humble, good type of people. This is the quality of a vaishnava. If we act in such a way that people are generally agitated that they are not pleased with the way we are acting that would be a dis-service to the Guru parampara. Even though the emperor came very angry but immediately they stood up, offered him a seat, gave him all respect. So this is the same way we should deal with people. I just remember one devotee of ..who was visiting America from England and he was driving in England and some other countries. Like in Germany, in Germany you know there is no speed limit. You can go 250kms an hour and out of bar, there is no limit at all. So he was going about 85 on the turn bike when one of the street people? Pulled him over and said, started screaming you know, what dare unmentionable things do you think you are doing? 85/ you are going 55-overmiles speed limit? So then the devotee with a accent very humbly replied, now how do I get somewhere? Sorry Sir, in our country there is no speed limit, There wasn’t a notice that I was going overspeed .. and then they said, “Oh, you are a tourist, alright, don’t do it again. Sometime just by dealing in a peaceful manner, not that every time .Sometime you get someone who is very angry, they don’t care, but in general this is the most effective means of dealing. For a devotee especially it is totally out of context to, especially if you are acting as a brahmana as a preacher, if it is acting like a kshatriya it might be something else. It is out of their nature, out of their personality to act in an another way. People will expect that religious people will act in a controlled, peaceful manner. But sometimes they say something offensive about Krishna, we just can’t tolerate it. Then we say something. But for our own people may criticize a devotee personally. Well they just tolerate that. We take fame and infamy with equal strive. Prabhupad taught us in India that we should treat our guest as if Krishna Himself had come. Infact it is a Vedic aphorism that says, atithi Narayana. That unexpected guest should be treated like Narayana. That even if an enemy comes to your house, he should be so well treated that he should think that I am in a home of friends. This is the Vedic system. So when we invite people here to our temple, we should try to receive them greet them and treat them with all warmth, friendship, hospitality so that they have very good impression about the Krishna consciousness movement and that is the actual Vedic system. Traveling in India you experience that sometimes I mentioned many times. I am just -my heart is won over by the hospitality. Ofcourse in the south, we hear about southern hospitality. So, ofcourse India is also considered south although it is a different continent, it is South Asia, This is southern united stats. But there when you go to someone’s house they always offer you a seat, offer you some thing to drink, it is like a ritual, you have to even you don’t take it but they insist you. Even if you don’t drink it but they insist you on giving something, like an obligation. So Prabhupad also wanted them to when anyone comes to a temple, we should be able to provide them in a moment’s notice some prasadam. At onetime even personally he had a letter send out that in the morning there should be a poori dough made and there should be some sabji made or it is ready to be made and if anyone comes, any respectable gentleman comes during the day, gentleman or gentlewomen immediately we should be able to provide them hot pooris and sabji, vegetable right on the spot. I don’t if any temple could able to do that. If they would then all glories to them. That was the type of hospitality Prabhupad wanted to offer, you can imagine, somebody comes in and immediately you are able to provide hot pooris and sabji, and a sandesh or something. If some Indian gentleman comes for darshan and if you offer them that, they will be won over forever.(ha ha!) They do that(ha ha!) Modern technology dovetails. So see Krishna has provided. There must be some..? in the microwave (ha ha!) 20th century we can give hot prasadam in a moments notice.!!!